Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:46 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:28 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:33 am
Posts: 57
First name: Tim
Last Name: Caccamise
City: Moreno Valley
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92557
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I haven't seen too many slotted heads for necks joined at the 14 th fret. Is there a reason why, perhaps a structural concern. I am planning to build a J-200 size guitar for my daughter, and we are thinking on a slotted head.

Thanks,
Tim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:43 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:33 am
Posts: 57
First name: Tim
Last Name: Caccamise
City: Moreno Valley
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92557
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks Todd,

Tim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:11 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:47 am
Posts: 781
Location: Wauwatosa, WI, USA
I think Martin did a 12 string Dread slotted HS for I believe one of the Peter, Paul or Mary.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:14 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:21 am
Posts: 4917
Location: Central PA
First name: john
Last Name: hall
City: Hegins
State: pa
Zip/Postal Code: 17938
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
martin did a few 12 fret slot heads but they are uncommon . As Todd stated , it is only the tradition

_________________
John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:34 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 6:42 pm
Posts: 589
First name: Brian
Last Name: Itzkin
State: NY/Granada
Country: USA/Spain
Focus: Build
I like them. Here is a 14 fret jumbo (16") Larson brothers guitar with a slotted head stock.Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:17 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:45 pm
Posts: 4337
Location: United States
I like them quite a lot, and the reduction in weight can be a useful offset on a 14 fret neck. Here's an OM in Ziricote and Sinker redwood:

Attachment:
AA3 Sm.jpg


Attachment:
AA6 Sm.jpg


As a plus, there are some really beautiful slot head tuners available these days. To wit:

Attachment:
A 055.jpg




Steve


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
From Nacogdoches...the oldest town in Texas.

http://www.stephenkinnaird.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:47 am 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:33 am
Posts: 57
First name: Tim
Last Name: Caccamise
City: Moreno Valley
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92557
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks for the replies, I think we will go with the slotted head. We are planning all Koa, with Ebony fret board, bindings, bridge and head plate. Also a tree of life vine on the fret board and abalone purflings on the top and back.

Thanks again,
Tim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:51 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:54 pm
Posts: 713
Location: United States
First name: nick
Last Name: fullerton
City: Vallejo
State: ca
Zip/Postal Code: 94590
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Love that Larson Bros.

_________________
"Preoccupation with an effect gives it power and enhances the error"
from "Your Owner's Manual" by Burt Hotchkiss.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:17 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:29 am
Posts: 3840
Location: England
You should also not feel restricted to 12 or 14 fret to the body, there is no law which says that these are the only options.

Here's a 13 fret to the body slothead.

Colin

Image

Image

_________________
I don't believe in anything, I simply make use of a set of reasonable working hypotheses.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:19 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:00 pm
Posts: 2020
Location: Utah
Todd Stock wrote:
Or 13-1/2 or 12-1/2...


Todd - your comment highlights a question that has been on my mind lately...is there any reason aside from convention that a neck can't meet the body between two frets? That is the case on my first build (not intentionally) and I'm just wondering how badly I screwed up. :?: :mrgreen:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:03 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:51 pm
Posts: 1134
Location: Albany NY
First name: David
Last Name: LaPlante
Status: Professional
Going WAAAAAYY back, Martin offered the Vienna style head as well as the squared off "peg" head copied from Spanish guitars of the period. This "Peg" head (with friction pegs) was soon thickend and slotted to accept the 3-on plate tuners being made at the time in France by Jerome Thibouville Lamy ("Jeromes"). The "peg" head continued on with Ivory pegs (actually the cheapest option) for another seventy years or so.
When Martin made the transition to their 14 fret models in the 30s, the "peg" or paddle head was revived and you know the rest.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:38 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:31 pm
Posts: 1877
First name: Darryl
Last Name: Young
State: AR
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
CharlieT wrote:
Todd Stock wrote:
Or 13-1/2 or 12-1/2...


Todd - your comment highlights a question that has been on my mind lately...is there any reason aside from convention that a neck can't meet the body between two frets? That is the case on my first build (not intentionally) and I'm just wondering how badly I screwed up. :?: :mrgreen:


That's an interesting thought. One thing I can think of is that having a fret on the body join line gives you a reference so you know ho to locate the bridge, bridge plate etc.

_________________
Formerly known as Adaboy.......


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:18 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:00 pm
Posts: 2020
Location: Utah
Todd Stock wrote:
Don't think it matters unless it matters to you.


Good answer, Todd. [:Y:]

I'm pretty sure I'll never do it again as it seems there's probably no good reason to unless you don't know any better, which I didn't on my first. :roll:

Thanks!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:39 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 17, 2008 1:11 pm
Posts: 2390
Location: Spokane, Washington
First name: Pat
Last Name: Foster
Country: USA
Focus: Build
I bought a Martin reject neck lot a few years ago. It had a perfectly good 14-fret slot-head dread neck in with standard necks. Only odd thing is the peghead veneer was glued on after the tuner slots were cut.

Pat

_________________
formerly known around here as burbank
_________________

http://www.patfosterguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Slotted head ?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:37 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:45 am
Posts: 430
CharlieT wrote:
Todd Stock wrote:
Or 13-1/2 or 12-1/2...


Todd - your comment highlights a question that has been on my mind lately...is there any reason aside from convention that a neck can't meet the body between two frets? That is the case on my first build (not intentionally) and I'm just wondering how badly I screwed up. :?: :mrgreen:



I think that it's primarily a matter of looks...just looks better to have the fret aligned with the body.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com