Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:12 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 3:54 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:42 pm
Posts: 112
First name: Thomas
Last Name: T
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Anyone know how to do this? I’m waiting on guitars 2&3 right now so I’ve haven’t had time to do an arm bevel yet. I’ve watched videos of how Kent Everett does it, but it seems this is done a different way. The bevel wood would seemingly need to be thinner.


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:49 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5491
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
That's the Ryan's "flutes". He has heavily invested in CNC work.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:06 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1906
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I wonder if having your arm on the arm bevel would greatly reduce the effect... beehive

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com



These users thanked the author sdsollod for the post: Hesh (Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:28 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:15 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:58 pm
Posts: 291
First name: Leo
Last Name: Pedersen
City: Bowen Island
State: British Columbia
Zip/Postal Code: V0N 1G2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
sdsollod wrote:
I wonder if having your arm on the arm bevel would greatly reduce the effect... beehive


Also my first thought.

Might not suit anyone who plays in classical position.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:29 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:42 pm
Posts: 112
First name: Thomas
Last Name: T
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Colin North wrote:
That's the Ryan's "flutes". He has heavily invested in CNC work.


Makes sense. I have a CNC, but don't know how that's done.

Maybe severals laminations can be cut and molded/glued together? I believe the Kent Everette method would leave too thick of a block of wood to work. I can't see inside the Ryan sound port, but I believe it would need a uniform and thin arm bevel to look right.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:27 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:47 pm
Posts: 2519
First name: Jay
Last Name: De Rocher
City: Bothell
State: Washington
sdsollod wrote:
I wonder if having your arm on the arm bevel would greatly reduce the effect... beehive


The holes sit far enough forward that the left arm doesn't block them. I took a look at three videos of Ryan guitars with those holes being played, including one in classical position, and the holes were clear of the players' left arms.

Has anyone here played one? I wonder how the "flute" holes compare to more standard sound ports in the upper bout on other guitars in terms of sound.

_________________
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right - Robert Hunter


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:20 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:50 pm
Posts: 3927
Location: United States
Being further from the main sound hole they would raise the 'air' pitch more for a given hole area. Also they would 'hear' different internal resonances than the main hole, so the sound at the ports would be less like what people in the audience hear.

Structurally it's plausible that he has cross braces in the bevel between the ports, and those could plug into liners along the top and bottom edges. I've never seen one 'live', so I can't say for sure.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Arm bevel sound port
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:13 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:47 pm
Posts: 2519
First name: Jay
Last Name: De Rocher
City: Bothell
State: Washington
guitarmaker78 wrote:
Anyone know how to do this? I’m waiting on guitars 2&3 right now so I’ve haven’t had time to do an arm bevel yet. I’ve watched videos of how Kent Everett does it, but it seems this is done a different way. The bevel wood would seemingly need to be thinner.


Kevin Ryan posted a short clip on Instagram of himself filing the holes. You can see how thick the wood is under the bevel.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WttTfyYce/?hl=en

_________________
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right - Robert Hunter



These users thanked the author J De Rocher for the post: Kbore (Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:50 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bftobin, Bing [Bot], CarlD, zmp2 and 45 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com