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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:46 pm 
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Location: Markham, ON (Canada)
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There is this thread over on AGF: https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/for ... p?t=309523


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:22 pm 
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First name: Don
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Here are some photos of my Veritas Twin Screw Vise being used as a Troji, and specifically for buffing the sides with the Adams Mini Swirl Killer.

Here is the vise with the sturdy foam I use:

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Twin screw Troji.JPG


The foam was arched on the bandsaw to a tighter radius than I use for either the back or top. This allows the foam to grab the edges and not put pressure in the middle of the plates. It is stiff enough foam that mayhem could ensue if you crank the vise too hard on a guitar with flat foam pressing on the plates. The vise screws are covered with short pieces of pipe insulation, which fits just perfectly. All of the foam can be removed in seconds. Note the stepstool under the vise, which is a critical safety feature. It prevents the guitar from falling out the bottom of the vise and hitting the floor.

Here is the vise, with the foam, with a towel covering the foam to provide some cushion for the guitar:

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Twin screw Troji with towel.JPG


Here is the vise, with the foam, towel, and a guitar:

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Twin screw Troji with guitar.JPG


I tested the buffer, and this arrangement holds the side very well. The towel acts as a sling, because the vise (with the sturdy foam) grips the towel and the guitar edges pretty well. When I press down, the guitar doesn't move, due to the clamping pressure and the towel's sling action.

Now I just need to get better at buffing . . .


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:20 pm 
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I used a number of these thing electic and air. I do most on the buffing wheel
Klingspore introduced me to the P grade papers. They have some that are designed to be used
on finishes. I love them. Cut an hour of finish sanding .
I use 2 buff wheels and 3 pastes
and this does all I need to do. I can get very shiney and happy but finish is something we can all discuss , you have to
find the technique that works for you.
One thing is time. I used shirwinn willliams for years but swiched to Mohawk it cured in about 8 days and after 2 weeks the shine
is amazing. SW took about 4 weeks to really cure

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:50 am 
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Based on Don's review I just got one of those Adams Mini machines and used it for the first time. Thank you Don that thing is simply fantastic. I just hold the guitar by the neck and let the weight of the machine do the work. Getting close to the neck heal the size of the disk just inches right up to it and it snuggles into all the curves and corners perfectly.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:55 am 
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Barry Daniels is who we all should thank. Thanks, Barry!



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:23 pm 
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Just to tie up loose ends, regarding the Adams speed setting. I was buffing today and noticed that I had it set on 2. That's quite slow compared to what it is capable of.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:47 pm 
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bluescreek wrote:
I used a number of these thing electic and air. I do most on the buffing wheel
Klingspore introduced me to the P grade papers. They have some that are designed to be used
on finishes. I love them. Cut an hour of finish sanding .
I use 2 buff wheels and 3 pastes
and this does all I need to do. I can get very shiney and happy but finish is something we can all discuss , you have to
find the technique that works for you.
One thing is time. I used shirwinn willliams for years but swiched to Mohawk it cured in about 8 days and after 2 weeks the shine
is amazing. SW took about 4 weeks to really cure


I use the same papers. They are awesom


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