Official Luthiers Forum!

The New builder challenge thread will be here , all pics and updates should be posted in this subforum . The rules will be as Follows .

( 1 ) 2 Builds or less to be qualified . ( we have discussed some of this already )
( 2 ) Can be a Kit or Scratch Build , Your choice .
( 3 ) No Spending Limit . ( we do want a basic breakdown of your cost for materials excluding tape , glue sandpaper etc: Just woods and hardware )
( 4 ) Instrument of your choice
( 5 ) You can ask for advice and direction on this forum from any of the pros , but the WORK MUST BE YOURS !
( 6 ) If someone wants to jump in later IE: April that's fine , but they must meet the deadline to be in voting .
( 7 ) The Finish date for pics and Video of it being played no later than Oct 31st 2013 .
( 8 ) You may borrow Molds / tools if you cannot build them or buy them . If you can get someone to loan them
( 9 ) I WILL NOT be answering alot of questions here , The Spirit of Fair Competition Must Prevail , Think about it . If your satisfied it fits in the rules and can live with your decision , Then make the choice .
( 10 ) HAVE FUN !!!!!!!!!!

This is about Promoting New builders and helping the forum grow and prosper , There will be ( 2 ) Catagorys of winners The first will be Builders that are doing # 1 Build True Newbies !

The second will be those who have 1 or 2 builds under their belt . Please specify in your first post what your building and if its your 1st , 2nd , 3rd build .

Gentlemen !!!! START YOUR BENDERS !!

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

This is a great idea Wud, I'm glad you are getting this rolling!

If anyone out there reading this is still nervous about entering, no matter what the reason just enter. No shame in not finishing. This is a great opporitunity to get started and have the whole forum waiting to offer real time help!

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

Ill be the first to throw out, if anyone in the Cleveland area needs help with bending or thickness sanding PM I'm more then willing to help out. I also have other big tools like bandsaws and routers if you need to use them. I'll show you how to use them but you'll
Have to do the work yourself like the rules say.

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Good luck to the last place finisher.




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Good on ya Padma! My only regret is that you didn't male that offer in the last challenge. Lol.

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

i´m well positioned for a padma plane! piece of cake!

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member of the guild of professional dilettantes

Dont make it TO nice Padma ..... we will have a race on for Last Place !

Thanks Padma , great idea . I appreciate your being involved !

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

I'm willing to help out anyone that's in or near Baltimore, MD. Of course, there's quite a few in this area that are better luthiers than me , but I do have a bandsaw and thickness sander.

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A man hears what he wants to hear, and disreguards the rest. Paul Simon

I have only just begun picking through the various build threads; I have to say I am loving the non-traditional undertakings. This is going to be fun to watch!

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

Just looking for a clarification.

As mentioned, I have finished two guitars, and have a third underway. I was told this would disqualify me from the challenge, in which i'd like to participate, but I note at least one other entrant seems to be in a similar situation...

Still can't play?

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Jason Moe
LaCrosse WI 54601

See rule # 9 , I certainly have no issue with you throwing your hat in and going for it ! I say build


THIS APPLIES TO ANYONE WHO IS RIGHT ON THE CUT OFF ! SEE RULE # 9

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

so, can we start building?

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member of the guild of professional dilettantes

Yes start your build. As you can see Casey is halfway done with his one week build. Two days in and he is farther than I'll be in a month!

Are we allowed to have any inlay work done by someone else, or does literally "all" work on the guitar need to be done by only the builder? In my case I'm interested in having a little inlay work done on the headstock for my build.

Thanks,

Brad

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Brad

See Rule # 9

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

Do it yourself and it's a non-issue Lots of fun, and good learning experience for the future.

Assuming you don't have a router setup yet, you can avoid it if the headplate is all you're inlaying. Do your pockets by temporarily gluing the pieces onto the headplate, and then sawing around them with a fine jeweler's saw blade, cutting through the headplate entirely. Then glue the pieces in, optionally with a backing veneer (looks nice from the side of the headstock anyway), and finally glue it onto the neck. Oh, and of course you'll have to drill a hole to thread the sawblade through, before you stick the pieces in place (so the piece can cover most of the hole, leaving just enough to fit the blade through).

Harvey Leach has been doing some awesome inlay work in this thread on AGF, using that style http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263021

Appears We Have ( 24 ) Builders Total ! This Is EXCELLENT .

I Am SOOOOO Looking forward to seeing the Builds as they progress !

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

So are we going to have a "Ryder Cup" portion of the competition? Canadians, Americans, UK, Ozzies....or what that be an unfair advantage to the Canadians

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Doug

Don't let fear or common sense stop you from trying to build something

Well we could , but we would have to Handicap the Canadians soooooooo much it wouldnt be fair !

JUST KIDDING

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

And now looks like 26!!!!! I'm ready to see these things come together. I should have my supplies by tuesday so I can really start! Someone needs to catch up with Casey!

This is probably a rule #9 thing.... but whats the score on finishing? Ok to get it done by someone good?

Rule # 5 .... Finish is huge part of the build .... A inlayed name , not so much .

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

Finishing isn't too bad frank. With a few YouTube videos and some articles you can get a very nice finish.

Wud, maybe in the poll thread at the end contestants should include information pertaining to if they had any work outsourced. Just to give everyone a fair shot. For instance If someone ordered pre bent sides, or had inlays done by a pro that could make a difference in voting. Everyone in the contest are new at this and with all the money and hard work going into the instruments I can understand if someone wants a nice heastock inlay but doesnt want to risk messing up all of the hard work they have put into the instrument. I personally would be fine with them ordering an inlay or having some help with it, BUT that would effect how I voted. So I think for small things like that its fine but it should be disclosed in the final poll thread so that the voters can make an educated vote without having to read through everyones individual build threads. Just a thought.

I would say something large like finish shouldnt be outsourced, If it was I know i wouldt vote for them, ya know. Just leave it up to the builders to decide so you dont get bombarded with questions of if this is acceptable or that is acceptable. Use rule #9. Decide for yourselves just disclose it in the poll thread with your videos and pictures.

Slow and steady wins the race... Err, um, this isn't a race, we have until October! The Tapatalk app makes it very easy to post pics of the progress on your builds. Download that joker and show us whatcha got going on! I will also be posting pics of some of the jigs I use and I'll be happy to answer questions about them.

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Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from poor judgement.