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First let me say, I just found these pictures interesting. From a book I got during the Swap Meet. Printed back in 1966, the methods described were the result of ten years of study, so they date to 1956. Hey, I was four years old.

The sides are boiled in a vat, then a heavy canvas applied to the wood steeped for 1 1/2 hours in boiling or near boiling water, and over a guitar shaped form.

The bolts are tightened into position, waist caul first, then the upper and lower cauls. Place in a heated room or in sunlight and allow to dry. Use heat lamps during high humidity and with maple. Otherwise leave the form undisturbed for a week.

Then put the sides in a squeeze jig and bind the sides propped to an exagerrated degree.









Now, since I couldn't find any A. Overholzer Aluminum Side Benders when I started I copied this guys:



And of course if you looked in the Jigs and Tools section, you've seen mine. I did cut out Fox sides with the screw tower slotting, got that far and didn't have the screw thingy, so I gave those away.



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1. The luthier above who boiled his sides and draped them into his form. Who is he? _______________________

2. The luthier above who pioneered the use of silicone heating blankets. Who is he? _________________________

Bonus Points? Who does luthier #1 credit with teaching him his guitar-building methods. There are two: _______________________ and __________________________.

Hint to Bonus question: The two luthiers initials are: M. V. and G. V-L.

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I'd just be making random guesses...

Thanks for posting this though! Very cool bit of history.


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[QUOTE=Bruce Dickey]Hint to Bonus question: The two luthiers initials are: M. V. and G. V-L.[/QUOTE]



Mattia Valente and Gore Vidal.



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I agree the principals are the same the methodology improved. It is fun to look back and see what the old ways were.
   I wish I had a camera but a few years ago I was afforded the privilege of getting a tour of the nooks and crannies it the old plant at martin on north street.
   The old bending machines were in the back of the cellar are were made of cast iron . The "slats" were more like tank treds. They were marked Olbeholtzer
     In the old days they did boil the wood but now that is not done anymore . Boiling caused alot of warpage issues.
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#1 Irving Sloan
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Lance and Colby, yes, those are correct.

Now who did Sloane copy? Two guys, very much remembered in the luthier world, even though I've only heard their names a half dozen times in eight years.

Come on guys and gals.

Who is:? Hint to Bonus question:

The two luthiers initials are: M. V. and G. V-L.

John, I want you and Kevin to take me on a tour of Martin Guitars. Wow, that would be great to have an OLFer's tour of the masters company.....   hmmmmm

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Bonus point #1: I'm guessing Miguel Velasquez, who at 90 years old was Guest of Honor at last summer GAL convention. The standing ovation that he got was amazing. The outpouring of heartfelt respect and admiration for Senor Velasquez by the assembled guitarmakers made me proud to be a member of such a splendid community.


 



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Larry, no doubt you were witness to a great event honoring this guitarmaker. Manuel Velazquez is indeed one of the two makers cited by Irving Sloane as early contributors in his learning.

I actually missed the fact in the Acknowledgement page of the book that he says, "More recently I have benefitted from the valuable experience if J____ R______. Does anyone know the luthier mentioned here as well?

Good job Larry. bd

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Manuel Velazquez and Gene Villa-Lobos were the two early teachers to Irving Sloane as he was writing his 1966 treatise Classic Guitar Construction. He then credits Jose Rubio and wife, Nest with generous gift of time and interest.

Way to go Larry on the Velazquez answer.


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