Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:42 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:28 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 471
Location: Australia
First name: Allen
Last Name: McFarlen
City: Mt. Sheridan
State: Qld.
Zip/Postal Code: 4868
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
This one has been in the works for several months now. I've been setting myself a new challenge with each one I build, and this time around it was a Florentine Cutaway. It was a H*LL of a learning experience and I had a major stuff up that I'll share with everyone because it was one of Kathy Matsushitsa's comments on her site that saved me from one mistake. Perhaps my experience will help someone else. Anyway here's the details

Back and Sides...East Indian Rosewood
Top...Figured Cypress
Neck...Mahogany
Bridge and Fret Board...East Indian Rosewood
Bindings...Lace She-oak
Nut and Saddle...MOP
Finish...Mirotone Catalyzed Lacquer






Spalted Avocado Rosette. I don't have a cool Luthiers name so I had to come up with something to call myself. New label as  well.



I noticed Mario use a back strip like this on his web site and I blatantly copied the idea and give credit to him. I'm calling it the Proulx Back Strip out of respect to him. I like it's subtleness and curved lines.



Here's the finished product for that curved end graft tutorial I did a while ago.



Ok, now here's where I stuffed up. When I was trying to sand to top of the rims in my radius dish I guess the tip of the cutaway wasn't firm enough in the mold. I ended up sanding way too much off to top/neck area trying to get the cutaway area to show that it had been sanded as well. It was just flexing in my mold, so by the time it was profiled I had taken too much off the rest. I didn't notice this until I was trying to fit the neck....

I had already made the neck and I ended up having to scarf a tongue onto it, then try and make everything fit. I had already routed out the pocket for my double tenon for a fully bolted on neck, so I persevered, thinking that I would have to learn how to correct mistakes instead of throwing up my hands and tossing the body in the bin.

I'm really glad that I did, Although it isn't the cleanest execution of a raised fret board, it is functional and I learned heaps, plus it does make getting at those upper frets just that little bit easier.




_________________
Allen R. McFarlen
Barron River Guitars & Ukuleles
Facebook
Cairns, Australia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:16 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:33 pm
Posts: 954
Location: United States
Allen, I think it is beautiful, nice job.....Hey, how does it sound?

Greg

_________________
Gwaltney Guitars


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:08 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:41 pm
Posts: 317
Location: Trois-Rivieres
First name: Alain
Last Name: Lambert
City: Trois-Rivieres
State: Quebec
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
very nice work Allen, congrats!
Would you mind going through the steps of making the Proulx back strip?



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:24 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 1694
Location: United States
First name: Lillian
Last Name: Fuller-Watson
State: WA
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Allen, she is simply beautiful in all respects.

_________________
Aoibeann


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:33 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:44 am
Posts: 209
Location: Sweden
Wow! Love the centerstrip in the back, goes together nicely with the butt wedge. How did you do that?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:03 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:40 am
Posts: 1900
Location: Spokane, Washington
First name: Pat
Last Name: Foster
State: Eastern WA
Focus: Build
Wow. Beautiful, Lars!! EIR is everywhere, but I still love the look of that wood. The colors of B&S, top and trim work together beautifully!

Just think how much less you'd have learned in this build if the sanding had worked the way you wanted. You're paying dues.

_________________
now known around here as Pat Foster
_________________
http://www.patfosterguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:10 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:11 am
Posts: 2761
Location: Tampa Bay
First name: Dave
Last Name: Anderson
City: Clearwater
State: Florida
Zip/Postal Code: 33755
Country: United States
Very nice looking guitar Allen! I really like the Proulx backstrip and that cypress is beautiful.Very purdy rosette too. The whole guitar is impressive!

_________________
Anderson Guitars
Clearwater,Fl. 33755


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:10 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 471
Location: Australia
First name: Allen
Last Name: McFarlen
City: Mt. Sheridan
State: Qld.
Zip/Postal Code: 4868
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional

[QUOTE=ToddStock]Nice work, Allen - great combination of woods.



If I can ask, how do you secure the rims to the mold when sanding the profile in the dish?[/QUOTE]

I just had my spreaders in the mold as I had done in the last 3 previous build. With the cutaway It just didn't hold things firm enough. There's going to be an update to the way that's done on the next. I'm going to screw in some small blocks inside the mold at the appropriate heights so there is no way for the body to slip. I saw a good way to do this on another site.

_________________
Allen R. McFarlen
Barron River Guitars & Ukuleles
Facebook
Cairns, Australia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:26 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 471
Location: Australia
First name: Allen
Last Name: McFarlen
City: Mt. Sheridan
State: Qld.
Zip/Postal Code: 4868
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional

[QUOTE=Alain Lambert]very nice work Allen, congrats!

Would you mind going through the steps of making the Proulx back strip?



[/QUOTE]

This is done after the plates are joined but before it's braced.

I used my laminate trimmer and one of the 15' radius forms from making my radius dishes as a fence.

Mark off each end of the back where I wanted the strip to be. Set the fence 45 mm back from the mark (your laminate trimmer may need a different set back) clamp the fence down, then made the cut. The back is 2.7 mm thick and the channel was cut about 1.5 deep. The channel was just a touch too tight so I put a piece of masking tape on the fence and did one more pass to widen the channel.

I cut all the purflings from veneer sheets, so it was a little fiddly feeding the 3 strips into the channel because they were very snug. Then wicked in thin CA glue.

_________________
Allen R. McFarlen
Barron River Guitars & Ukuleles
Facebook
Cairns, Australia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:33 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:53 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: Hughenden Valley, England
Allen,

That's a nice looking guitar with lots of nice touches. The top has real character and I love the rosette.

The raised fingerboard has worked out well. Lots of good things happen with "accidents" and in a lot of ways you learn more than if everything goes to plan. Just pretend it was always a desingn feature.

Where would you position the sound of Cypress as a top wood in the spruce-cedar-redwood spectrum?

_________________
Dave White
De Faoite Stringed Instruments
". . . the one thing a machine just can't do is give you character and personalities and sometimes that comes with flaws, but it always comes with humanity" Monty Don talking about hand weaving, "Mastercrafts", Weaving, BBC March 2010


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:39 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:05 am
Posts: 9191
Location: United States
First name: Waddy
Last Name: Thomson
City: Charlotte
State: NC
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Beautiful guitar!  Nice save too!     

_________________
Waddy

Photobucket Build Album Library

Sound Clips of most of my guitars


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:30 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 4:29 pm
Posts: 188
Location: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur

Great looking guitar Allen . I love florentine cutaways. I like Dave White would like to know where the Cypruss would fit tone wise compared to the more common soundboard woods.


Regards


Craig.



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:48 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 471
Location: Australia
First name: Allen
Last Name: McFarlen
City: Mt. Sheridan
State: Qld.
Zip/Postal Code: 4868
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional

[QUOTE=Dave White]Allen,



The raised fingerboard has worked out well. Lots of good things happen with "accidents" and in a lot of ways you learn more than if everything goes to plan. Just pretend it was always a desingn feature.



Where would you position the sound of Cypress as a top wood in the spruce-cedar-redwood spectrum?[/QUOTE]

You know, I was thinking of keeping that little accident all to myself and saying that I planned it that way, but like I mentioned, Kathy had saved me from a mistake by mentioning her near blunder, so I'm sure that I won't be the last to have the same problem. And for anyone that is interested in buying the guitar...Well I designed it that way, right.

This is only my 4th guitar, so I'm no expert at what the different tops sound like.

My first was a LMI Dread kit with a nice spruce top. Alas, I followed the plans too closely and it's way overbuilt to be a good comparison.

The second guitar was a Australian Red Cedar top 000 with Tassy Blackwood that sounds fantastic. But by no means a traditional top.

The 3rd guitar was totally Cypress, and it sounds great too. It's my favorite so far. Only weights 1.7 kg and the whole instrument trembles at strong sound.

This one has only been strung up for 24 hours, and I'm still doing set up on it. It's really starting to sound good.

I'm taking my 1st, 3rd and 4th guitar to a jam this Saturday. I gave the 2nd one to my mate that is hosting the get together so it will be there as well. I'll let everyone have a play with them and try and get some feedback on their impressions.

_________________
Allen R. McFarlen
Barron River Guitars & Ukuleles
Facebook
Cairns, Australia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:56 am 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:53 pm
Posts: 64
Location: United States
Stunning looker of a guitar!

-Ben



Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:15 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:15 pm
Posts: 2302
Location: Florida

beautiful guitar!


I love the finish on it also. man she really shines!


_________________
Reguards,

Ken H


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:30 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:03 pm
Posts: 85
Oustanding job! Great looking fret-markers!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:25 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 471
Location: Australia
First name: Allen
Last Name: McFarlen
City: Mt. Sheridan
State: Qld.
Zip/Postal Code: 4868
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional

[QUOTE=banjoboatguitar]Oustanding job! Great looking fret-markers![/QUOTE]

I had some nice Paua notched squares that I was going to use on this one, but when I laid them out, they just didn't go with the colors. So these markers are cut from a plastic knitting needle that I picked up from the OP-Shop for a couple of cents. I still put the Paua side dots in the fret board. They're so small that they don't clash...and I couldn't find a red knitting needle that small diameter.

_________________
Allen R. McFarlen
Barron River Guitars & Ukuleles
Facebook
Cairns, Australia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:32 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:45 pm
Posts: 4337
Location: United States
Allen, I really like the shape of the cutaway.
Those can be as important (and difficult) design-wise as the overall shape. I think yours fits the design of the instrument nicely.

And "Avocado" for the rosette? How cool is that?

Steve

_________________
From Nacogdoches...the oldest town in Texas.

http://www.stephenkinnaird.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:39 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:46 am
Posts: 2227
Location: Canada
Beautiful guitar in all respects! Great save too!

_________________
I'd like to be able to prove, just for once, that money wouldn't make me happy...


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 32 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com