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I need a ready made binding jig. I will never build my own... best one please?

Mike

John Hall, Williams/Fleishman binding jig. Stew Mac or LMI rabbiting bit set.

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Ken H

Ken, I don't see any binding machine for sale on the Blues Creek website. Are you sure you got the right place? I went through all 76 of his products but couldn't see anything to do with binding....

Dave F.

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I'm about to spring for a binding jig soon as well. John sells two jigs, the Ribbecke-style jig, and the Williams-style jig. Am leaning towards the Ribbecke one, as it's a bit cheaper unless someone can convince me that the Williams jig is significantly better.

Mark

I use the Ribbecki/LMI jig and like it very much. I can't comment on the Williams/Flieshman .
They are very different in that you move the guitar body around the router with the Rib./LMI jig
and you move the router around the guitar body with the Will./Fliesh. jig. They both have been around
for a while and both work well. I think more builders are using the Will./Fl. jig nowadays.

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I wouldn't attempt to "convince" you of anything...but I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of the people who have used both jigs would prefer the Williams jig hands down over the Ribbecke model. It's easier to set up and easier to use.

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I built a Williams-style very early on & like it a lot. There have never been any "issues". I like having hold of the router, with the guitar body fixed. To me, it also has the advantage of holding the router square/stable while routing anything oddball (flat-bottomed inlay pockets in an already radiused fretboard for example).

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Dave
Milton, ON

Mike,

Here is a link to one of the binding jigs available from John at Blues Creek.

http://www.bluescreekguitars.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9

Good Luck

Philip

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Thanks! Now to decide amongst the models. Seems like a lot of support for the Williams? Thats the one where move the router?

Binding machines need to do 2 things to work well . First they need to be able to hold the cutter in a stable position and 2nd they need to cut without being thrown by the geometry of the guitar body.
The Ribekke was one of the first practical machine designs , Williams - Fleishman design does this but allows you to handle the router for more feel. I personally tried every design out there . All had their quarks but these 2 had the most repeatable processes. Ribbeke has you move the guitar under the tower and the Williams - Fleishman allows you to move the router around the guitar. The secret to these are the UHMW shoes. These take all the geometry of the back wedge and radius out of that equation.
Most trim routers fit both machines but the manufactures of the trim routers started to bastardize them. Most are now set with an angle on the mounting area that the peripheral ad ons get attached . This is used to mount them to the machine so you need to take that into consideration
I use a number of binding sets but found the stew mac set 1298 and the grizzly set will cover about all your needs. I didn't list the newer ones yet as I didn't get the instructions made up yet. Also I can keep them in stock but do have about 6 on the shelf as of yet.
Get in touch if you have any questions.
thanks
john and brenda hall

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John,

I need guidance, so suggest away. Also, what is UHMW?

From what I have read, I kind of like the "lazy susan" approach, but my problem is I don't know what I don't know.

Mike

Roll your own? Not me. I like mine hand rolled by experienced island folk. Cigars that is.

Mike