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Does anyone have or know where I can get a set of flamenco guitar plans?


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Robbie..
Let's go to Spain for a week and I'm sure we can come up with something.
Sounds like the best solution.

Walter
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The Guild of American Lutherie has one set of flamenco plans for sale. The 1951 Barbero, played by Sabicas.

This is the only set of flamenco plans I've been able to find on the net. His bracing pattern is fairly typical. Some flamenco builders did not use any angle to their fan braces at all. Far as that goes, some classical builders didn't either (e.g., Kohno and Contreras with some of their guitars).

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LET'S GO WALTER!   

Michael I found those GAL plans on the web drawn by R.E.Brune. I have the LMI plans but am a bit unsure as to the conical shape that the LMI plans talk about on the lower bout of the sides where the top meets. The plans don't really go into a lot of detail on that. I am ordering the GAL plans and hoefully they will go into more detail.
It appears that the sides of the lower bout are about 6mm lower in the widest section on the top side and then they slowly taper back up to the standard measurement where they hit the end block.
Can anyone give some insight on this?

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Roy Courtnall-Summerfield sells a plan of a a Santos Hernandes flamenco guitar on his site Guitarplans.uk.

He does ship to the USA.

Guitarplans

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Thanks all for the info


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LMI also sells some of the Courtnall plans but not the Santos.

The side showing lower in the lower bout is because of the doming of the top. Whereas alot of classical builders have rims that are flat but will but have the doming of the top in the lower bout, that plan shows what the result is when the entire top is domed via a sanding dish as Steel string builders do.

This kind of makes sense since the setup and action on a Flamenco is closer to the string height on a steel string. The lowering of the sides in the lowert bout would serve to lower the height of the bridge and hence lower action.

I have built from all of the plans mentioned above. For the most part I ended up sticking closer to the Santos plan as it is very well discussed in the Courtnall book.

The Barbero plans are very good but use a bracing pattern that is not what I would usually use. It has 5 fan braces in the middle with very little angle and two longer bottom braces outside of the 5 angled like bottom braces but only crossing (reinforcing) the outer two braces. I have no problem with this but done see it as any advantage over using 7 fan braces and just not having any bottom cross braces as Santos did.

By the way...I tried something cool on my last Flamenco...Have you seen or tried "Pegheds"?

http://www.pegheds.com

It is a planetary gear INSIDE a normal looking tuning peg!! It gives a no slip solution for a Flamenco while being undetectable.

They are really slick and a good selling point that once a flamenco player sees is sold on. They are $120 a set but I would rather supply them as standard on my Flamenco than get calls from players who only sometimes play flamenco asking how to deal with slipping or sticking tuning pegs. I dont mind the price for the Peghed tuners as it is still in the same range I would allocate for good tuners on a classical.


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Shawn,

It is exactly this "doming " that I am trying to figure out. If it is just radiused like a steel string guitar then what would an appropriate radius be? To me it looks as though just the lower bought on the top side is radiused. Also it appears that the neck is forward a couple of degrees as to allow for a lower bridge and saddle. This is the opposite of a steel string neck. All of this makes sense to me but I se eno mention of this in the Courtnall book at all.   
Are you making yours with this "radius" or are you leaving the sides straight on the top?


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