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I intonated my first guitar since I bought my Peterson VSII strob tuner. I have always been an analog swing needel fan, but it took me no more than 1 hr to intonate a new buil. It is so much more accurate, and I love that ability to control the off pitch setting and choose or create custom temperments. One day soon I will buy the bench top model but for now the VSII is just fine. Blows any other tuner I have ever used away. I roughed in using the 12 freted and 12 harmonic method then fine adjusted using the 5th and 17th freted method. I can't say enough for this tuner.MichaelP38615.5857175926

[QUOTE=MichaelP]I roughed in using the 12 ferted and 12 harmonic method [/QUOTE]
Wow, My wife throws me out'a the house if I "fert" just once
OK, who's the adult here

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[QUOTE=MichaelP] Stop it John I can't breath [/QUOTE]


12 "FERTS" will do that!

Ron

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Ron Wisdom

Somewhere in the middle of Arkansas......

Man I love reading these forums. It always brightens my day.

Graham

There my post took a BEANO, all is calm now

Everyone must admit this is the place to go for insightful and intelligent discussions of relevant problems luthiers have
MichaelP38615.5894560185

and we wonder why there are virtually no girls here...   

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Brock Poling
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Well sure, luthiers can get GAS too.

Who can afford GAS these days?

Some how this is not the direction I exspected this thread to go

It may not be the direction, but its sure has been funny!

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after visiting most of the fora devoted to luthiery and guitars, and instruments in general, i have formed the conclusion that an oversupply of gas is a prerequisite for being a luthier!!!

[QUOTE=arvey] I can't afford Gass[/QUOTE]

Y'know, I still can't help but laugh at this. Despite the fact your gas prices have hit, what, around 3 bucks/gallon from the 70 cents or so it was in the late 90's, you do realize that you're still paying, well, about 1/3 to 1/4 of what pretty much every single European driver is paying, right?

Even with that Mattia, here in the US, and I would imagin in Eruope a very large part of what is paid is not industry imposed, rather is floating taxes. as the cost of refined fuel goes up so does the tax rate. i.e. if gas gross cost is $1 add 30% in taxes. if the gross cost is $2 add 85% in taxes. Most people don't realise that as the cost of the raw fuel goes up the percentage that they pay per dollor of fuel in taxes increases.

The problem we have in this country is not a shortage of oil, rather it is that the oil tanks are located in the South, South-West, Rocky Mountains and Alaska but the Dip-Sticks are in the Senate

Yeah, we know that. I don't think it is the amount so much as the SUDDEN change. Our cost of living just went up a couple hundred bucks a month around here almost over night. For people living on the edge, that's tough.

Ron

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Ron Wisdom

Somewhere in the middle of Arkansas......

Mattia, you are correct. However, to get around in Europe is SO much easier--everything is closer, much more convenient, so that the price of gas isn't such an issue. On top of that, Europe has those ubiquitous mass transit systems that most of the US still does not have.
We've just developed our system based on cheap fuel.

We used to spend a pleasant Saturday afternoon just driving around the country side. No more. Now, we drive around the country side and are just miserable (over the cost of fuel).

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Oh, I'm well aware of the problems, both economic and practical (and, frankly, of engineering; unless you drive a Japanese or Euro car, fuel efficiency is down the sink). I just figured I'd point it out ;-)

[QUOTE=Steve Kinnaird] Mattia, you are correct. However, to get around in Europe is SO much easier--everything is closer, much more convenient, so that the price of gas isn't such an issue. On top of that, Europe has those ubiquitous mass transit systems that most of the US still does not have.
We've just developed our system based on cheap fuel.
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Now that this thread is thoroughly derailed, let me just add that not all of Europe fits this description. Mattia lives in the Netherlands (I think), where you can pretty much walk between everything, maybe ride a bicycle if you're in a hurry . My sparesly populated country is about as long as one of the US coasts, and the gas is even more expensive. No wonder so many emigrated about 100 years ago!

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[QUOTE=Steve Kinnaird] Mattia, you are correct. However, to get around in Europe is SO much easier--everything is closer, much more convenient, so that the price of gas isn't such an issue. On top of that, Europe has those ubiquitous mass transit systems that most of the US still does not have.
We've just developed our system based on cheap fuel.
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Steve you are correct. However, I'd be interested to see - if they are available - comparisons of the average length of a car journey in the US and Europe. My hunch whould be that they are not a lot different. An awful lot of short haul trips (in some cases ridiculous ones like 100 yards down the road!!) would dominate both.

The scariest statistic I saw recently was that just 5% of the world's population uses a quarter of the world's oil consumption. What happens when (as they will) even a tiny portion of the other 95% start to want to live the lifestyles of the 5%?

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[QUOTE=Dave White]
The scariest statistic I saw recently was that just 5% of the world's population uses a quarter of the world's oil consumption. What happens when (as they will) even a tiny portion of the other 95% start to want to live the lifestyles of the 5%?
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I'll tell you what happens Dave, Seismic Surveying Geologists particularly those with expertise in 3D tomography (we all know one of those don't we ) get offered obscene amounts of money by the oil companies to go find more sedimentary basins stuffed with the black stuff.   Been there, done that, prefer academia!

Colin

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At this time in the US the cost at the pump per gallon of gasoline is affected twice as much buy floating taxes and the fact we do not have the refining capabilities to meat the demand, rather than the cost per barrel of crude oil. We have available through import and domestic sources plenty of crude, but do to environmental restriction and cost of building new refineries we are unable to keep up a rate that stabilizes refining cost. I am not saying that the environmental issues should be over looked at all. But the way things are is a direct affect of the way laws and policies have been implemented. I feel we need to find a better balance.

Then again I am an old oil field engineer so my view may be tinted a little by the fact that the industry's wages feed my family, and just barly did in the 90's when gasoline was selling for just 1.65 times the cost per gallon of crude oil. Right now to show my point gasoline is selling for 2.65 x the cost per gallon of crude oil avrage nation wide.

I used to think that "green" cars were really just a hippy fantasy... but more and more there seems to be a convergence of necessity between the economic realists, homeland security, and enviro causes.

I think this is moving from a "political" issue to an "apolitical" issue and we really need a JFK "we will put a man on the moon in 10 years" type of challenge. -- and incentives to achieve this goal.

Whatever the solution (hydrogen, corn, sun, wind, magic beans, whatever...) it seems to me that we need to get serious about focusing on alternatives to oil as our fuel standard.

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Brock Poling
Columbus, Ohio
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From Peterson tuners, to ferting, to the price of gas. One can see what's on our minds.
We drove around in Scotland two summers ago. When we turned in the rental car, the attendant read the odometer, and whistled "1200 miles!" as if that's a great accomplishment. Man, we drive that in Texas just to buy groceries. I guess he thought we'd rent the car, drive to a B&B, and just park it. We went north, south, east and west. Great trip, but lots of Lbs. up in smoke.

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This thread reminds me of the old PBS series, Connections, that was British or at least narrated by an Englishman. It is sometimes amazing how one idea leads to another, so seemingly diverse. Lots of tangents here, but interesting.

Nice thread, MichaelP.

Ron

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Ron Wisdom

Somewhere in the middle of Arkansas......