Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:12 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:09 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 7:17 am
Posts: 622
Location: Santo, TX
My luck...
I came in from work tonight and pulled my newly braced back from the go-bar deck and proceded to layout the rim for notching. During the process, the form my rim is in flexed and split the side about 6 inches - right through the waist area. It split - of course - right along the grain (Honduran mahogany). The break looks clean and seems there should be a way to repair it. Can I just open it up a little and flood it with hide glue and possibly add some more side reinforcement later?

I took some pictures but, of course, I can't find the cable to upload the pictures. I'm sure it'll show up when I calm down.

Man, they just don't quite have the right emoticon for this...westex9338658.8835069444

_________________
Wes McMillian
Santo, TX
http://www.wesmcmillian.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:14 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:34 pm
Posts: 61
Location: DeLand, FL USA
First name: Tim
Last Name: Hammett
City: DeLand
State: FL
Zip/Postal Code: 32720
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I'm not experienced enough to give any kind of expert answer but I've seen what Frank Ford can do with hide glue.
I've repaired a small split in a maple back (near the upper bout edge) and after three years I cannot find it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:38 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:18 pm
Posts: 785
Location: United States
Wes,

Repair away! I'm fairly new, but I've already had this happen to me before.

Did you install side braces? That's the first thing I do after gluing in the neck & tail blocks, before the kerfed lining. My only side split came before the lining was in.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:44 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:02 am
Posts: 8553
Location: United States
First name: Lance
Last Name: Kragenbrink
City: Vandercook Lake
State: Michigan
Zip/Postal Code: 49203
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Wes, im building a small bodied guitar out of Ziricote- or as Don Williams puts it, Mexcian Crackwood! I keep a bottle of CA handy

Press your crack together and flood with CA, it will be fine.

_________________
Support the OLF! Bookmark our STEWMAC link Today!
Lance@LuthiersForum.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:11 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:26 am
Posts: 2556
Location: United States
Lance, on mahogany I'd be more inclined to use Hide glue. CA might darken the line and draw a little more attention to it. Though it would be a good repair, I think the Hide glue will make it invisible.
Wes, heck yes repair it. If you hung it up every time you had a little blunder, you'd never have a complete guitar. (If you are anything like me anyway). It's been said many times here that a good luthier/woodworker is one that can make his mistakes invisible.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:19 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:53 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: Hughenden Valley, England
[QUOTE=LanceK] Press your crack together and flood with CA, it will be fine.[/QUOTE]

Amd be sure to have a Doctor close at hand

_________________
Dave White
De Faoite Stringed Instruments
". . . the one thing a machine just can't do is give you character and personalities and sometimes that comes with flaws, but it always comes with humanity" Monty Don talking about hand weaving, "Mastercrafts", Weaving, BBC March 2010


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:33 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:02 am
Posts: 8553
Location: United States
First name: Lance
Last Name: Kragenbrink
City: Vandercook Lake
State: Michigan
Zip/Postal Code: 49203
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro

_________________
Support the OLF! Bookmark our STEWMAC link Today!
Lance@LuthiersForum.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:35 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:02 am
Posts: 8553
Location: United States
First name: Lance
Last Name: Kragenbrink
City: Vandercook Lake
State: Michigan
Zip/Postal Code: 49203
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Paul - I concure! My brain said Honduran Rosewood, not mahogany! I agree - HHG will make a less visable repair.

_________________
Support the OLF! Bookmark our STEWMAC link Today!
Lance@LuthiersForum.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:19 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:57 am
Posts: 158
Location: Italy
And here's a doctor... intensive care unit ready, you can glue.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:59 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 7:17 am
Posts: 622
Location: Santo, TX
Thanks, y'all.

Truth is, had I not had this forum with all the great (free!) info, I would have just gone ahead and repaired it. Just couldn't see not taking advantage of the great minds here!

And the rest of you, too!

_________________
Wes McMillian
Santo, TX
http://www.wesmcmillian.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:18 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:40 am
Posts: 2694
Location: United States
First name: John
Last Name: How
City: Auburn
State: Ca
Country: USA
You may want to consider putting in some side braces even before attempting to repair this crack except over the crack itself till it is fixed so that in spreading the wound for glue you do not continue the wound.

_________________
Tickle your guitar daily, and it'll tickle you back.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:38 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:16 am
Posts: 2244
Location: United States
First name: michael
Last Name: mcclain
City: pendleton
State: sc
Zip/Postal Code: 29670
Status: Professional
the hhg you use to fix this should be thin enough to wick in just like thin ca. and preheat the area of the crack to extend working time a bit.

and stiffen up your mould. it shouldn't flex like that.crazymanmichael38659.5695138889


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:59 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 7:17 am
Posts: 622
Location: Santo, TX
Yep, my stupidity on the mold. The mold itself is very heavy duty - I love it - but I just stuck the halves together with a strap on either end, and only on one side, so it flexed laterally.

Won't happen again, by the time I get done with it, two Mack trucks won't pull it apart! Really, I'm sure I'll just put latches on it - top AND bottom. May hinge the other end...

Regarding side braces, how many do you tend to put in? This is on a dread. And my first.

_________________
Wes McMillian
Santo, TX
http://www.wesmcmillian.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:17 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:16 am
Posts: 2244
Location: United States
First name: michael
Last Name: mcclain
City: pendleton
State: sc
Zip/Postal Code: 29670
Status: Professional
regarding the mold, i use a couple of dowels to engage matching holes in the other half at the opening end if it is hinged or two at each end if it is just held together with draw clamps or clips. they positively locate each half of the mold in relation to the other, no shifting.

regarding side reinforcement, i use five each side, two in the upper bout and three in the lower.

there was a recent thread on this with photos you may want to have a look at.crazymanmichael38659.5978125


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com