Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Fri Aug 22, 2025 11:41 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:14 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:13 pm
Posts: 215
First name: Steve
Last Name: Ellis
City: Manteca
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 95337
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I'm beginning my next classical build using Englemann and Padauk.

My normal rosette colors are green/yellow/copper

Attachment:
Rosette 2.jpg


I'm not sure these colors would work with the deep red of a Padauk. Any suggested color schemes?
Thanks,
Steve


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:51 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:59 pm
Posts: 3626
First name: Dennis
Last Name: Kincheloe
City: Kansas City
State: MO
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Replace green with purple and you should be good to go :) Camatillo rosewood, bois de rose, or purpleheart. Or dyed, I suppose.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:17 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:46 pm
Posts: 950
First name: Francis
Last Name: Richer
City: Montréal
State: Québec
Zip/Postal Code: H4G 2Z2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Changing the green by padouk or bloodwood.

_________________
Francis Richer, Montréal
Les Guitares F&M Guitars


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:39 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:13 pm
Posts: 215
First name: Steve
Last Name: Ellis
City: Manteca
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 95337
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
good suggestions. I was even thinking of replacing the green with a dyed red, but I have a good supply of bloodwood that I can rip into strips. I may even use bloodwood instead of Padauk - decisions, decisions. Both seem to be solid tonewoods, with some aesthetic apeal other than the generic rosewood. The binding on the guitar in the picture is Bloodwood.

Does anyone have any experience (other than the Padauk dust) of working with either of these woods? Thoughts? Pictures?

Thanks,
Steve


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:40 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:10 pm
Posts: 2764
First name: Tom
Last Name: West
State: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Steve: Keep in mind that the red of the Padauk will then to turn more towards a brown especially if exposed to sunlight. I've done a couple that don't get any sunlight and they have not changed a whole lot. Padauk a good wood for SS but no experience with classical. The pores are larger and harder to deal with then most woods. It can tend to fracture if mishandled but said to be one of the most stable of woods. Some folks have had problems bending but worked OK for me with a form and blanket. The dust you have already experienced.

Tom

_________________
A person who has never made a mistake has never made anything!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:01 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:46 pm
Posts: 950
First name: Francis
Last Name: Richer
City: Montréal
State: Québec
Zip/Postal Code: H4G 2Z2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
It turns in a dark reddish brown with years, but it's kind of a nice color (for what I've seen). As tonewood, it seems to be really great. It's generally a bit denser than east indian rosewood. Some luthiers, like Greg Smallman, find that this density is just perfect for classical bridge.

On workability side, I never worked with it really, but I've seen collegue who built a classical with it, and he had some problem with the back. It came cupped as hell, but he cloth-ironed it flat, braced it, and now it seems to hold nicely.

When freshly sanded, your guitar will look like it is in fire :mrgreen:

Good luck!

_________________
Francis Richer, Montréal
Les Guitares F&M Guitars


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:37 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:08 pm
Posts: 2712
First name: ernest
Last Name: kleinman
City: lee's summit
State: mo
Zip/Postal Code: 64081
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Padauk is an autumn colour turning brown as it ages. The rosette would look good with spring and fall color combos e.g. reddish brown, olive, red fuchsia, and yellow ochre. Just google fall and spring colors for clothing and you will get the appropriate color to match the englemann /padauk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:06 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:29 pm
Posts: 213
Location: Meredosia, IL 62665
I use padauk for my bridge plates, a tip I stole from someone. My supply is all brown on the surfaces now and I always marvel when cutting it to expose the bright orange. I've wanted to laminate padauk and osage orange to observe the orange and yellow mute to brown.


The challenge is fixing a color binding/purfling scheme that looks good as the padauk morphs color. The above colors all sound good, but I think I would use some black to define the border of the padauk to establish a constant contrast with your color scheme.

Just a thought...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:04 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:35 pm
Posts: 2561
Country: USA
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
I made a strat ten years ago out of padauk that is a rich red color now, not a hint of brown. I finished it in 100% pure Tung Oil (Behlen's) and followed it up with some kind of wax, I forget what.

_________________
Old growth, shmold growth!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:12 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:08 pm
Posts: 1958
Location: Missouri
First name: Patrick
Last Name: Hanna
State: Missouri
Country: USA
Steve, I wouldn't have any qualms about using the usual green in your rosette--even with the initial bright color of the padauk. However, all of these folks have suggested good alternatives.
Cheers!
Patrick


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 27 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com