Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:22 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:57 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:46 pm
Posts: 2150
First name: Freeman
Last Name: Keller
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I know that a bridge or "string" ground wire is important and is included on many electric guitars, but I don't see one in the wiring diagrams for a Les Paul nor is there anything shown on the plans for the one I am building. Do LP's usually have a ground wire to the bridge or tailpiece, if so how is it routed and how is it connected to the insert?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:33 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5822
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
It's usually a bare wire running to the nearest tailpiece or bridge post via a small hole drilled during assembly, and then grounded in the controls somewhere.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:52 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:46 pm
Posts: 2150
First name: Freeman
Last Name: Keller
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Chris Pile wrote:
It's usually a bare wire running to the nearest tailpiece or bridge post via a small hole drilled during assembly, and then grounded in the controls somewhere.


Thanks Chris, that is what I did. Drilled from the bridge p/u cavity to the bridge post, pushed a wire in as tightly as I could against the post and superglued it in place in the hole. There was no way to solder or screw connect it to the post, which unfortunately was already in place.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:52 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5822
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
No need to solder it to the post.
Just has to make contact.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:43 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:37 pm
Posts: 1740
Location: Virginia, USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I usually push the wire through the hole, and then mount the threaded bushing, so that the wire is trapped between the mounting stud for the bridge post (or tailpiece) and the inside wall of the mounting post hole.
If you are saying that you drilled a hole to a post that was already installed, I'd pull the mounting stud and do it like I just posted above. I'd have serious misgivings over whether or not the ground would be a good one if I just pushed a wire through a hole until it just touched the stud. MHO.

_________________
Mike

The only thing nescessary for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:46 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:47 am
Posts: 175
First name: Jamie
Last Name: Unden
City: Lakeside
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92040
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I second Mike.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:22 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:46 pm
Posts: 2150
First name: Freeman
Last Name: Keller
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Mike Baker wrote:
I usually push the wire through the hole, and then mount the threaded bushing, so that the wire is trapped between the mounting stud for the bridge post (or tailpiece) and the inside wall of the mounting post hole.
If you are saying that you drilled a hole to a post that was already installed, I'd pull the mounting stud and do it like I just posted above. I'd have serious misgivings over whether or not the ground would be a good one if I just pushed a wire through a hole until it just touched the stud. MHO.


Yes, that dawned on me after I had the stud pressed in the hole - the best would seem to be stranded wire spread out in the stud hole and the stud pressed against it. So, how would you pull the stud without damaging the finish? It is the bridge, by the way


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:03 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:37 pm
Posts: 1740
Location: Virginia, USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
The way I'd remove the stud will be frowned upon by many here, but this is how I do it.
Get a heavy piece of cloth or leather and fold it over a few times to protect the finish. Lay that on the guitar, followed by a piece of wood( I usually use a cutoff from a neck blank). Thread the stud into the bushing enough to get a good grip on the threads. Take a claw hammer(yes, you read that right) and use the wood as a fulcrum to GENTLY(did I mention gently?) and slowly pull the stud and bushing out of the hole.
It doesn't take much force, and once the bushing starts to move, you can switch from the sideways pull of the fulcrum to a more straight up and out one. The key to this is to go gently and slowly.
I've also read on this forum that you can also take a deep well socket that will fit over the bushing, and run a bolt and washer that has the same thread as the stud through that, and then use a wrench to slowly tighten up on the bolt, and pull the bushing. I would think that you would need something that would fit the base of the socket to protect the guitar's finish if you went that route as well. I imagine you could find a rubber washer at the hardware store that would do the trick.
StewMac sells a bushing puller that is basically based on this design.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for_Electronics,_pickups/Knob_and_Bushing_Puller.html?actn=100101&xst=3&xsr=15619
I refuse to pay $45 for that, but there you are.

_________________
Mike

The only thing nescessary for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:47 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5822
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
StewMac makes a great stud puller, or you can make your own if you feel up to it.
You can also screw a long bolt into the insert which will climb out of the hole on the threads, but be careful!

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:21 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:34 pm
Posts: 1065
First name: Rob
Last Name: McDougall
City: Cochrane
State: Alberta
An alternate method to remove the bushing is to take a 1/4" length of 1/4" steel round stock (cut a piece off a 1/4" bolt), insert into the hole, then screw in the stud. The bushing will pop right out.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 48 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com