Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Apr 26, 2025 10:50 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:53 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:44 am
Posts: 209
Location: Sweden
Im currently doing my first guitar with braz rw, and have some issues with cracks. Mainly in the rims after they were bent, lots of not so very open, but quite long cracks... some are visible, but i dont think i'll ever find all those little cracks.

So im thinking on how to get these pieces stable, and hope that you guys could either cheer me up or give me better alternatives.

My plan is to finish the rims and the back, and then (right before assemby of the box) use the lmi epoxy without any thickener and "porefill" the outer surfaces. I hope it will run all the way through the cracks and lock them. Then i'll clean up the inside surfaces and assemble the box as regular.

Would that work, or do you have any better suggestions?

ThanksLars Rasmussen38739.7459027778


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:58 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:05 pm
Posts: 856
Location: United States
First name: Josh
Last Name: French
City: Houston
State: TX
A tip I picked up in my apprenticeship, which supposedly comes from CF Martin, is to flood the back and sides with CA glue prior to finishing, or to do your pore filling with CA.

BRW often has little check marks which aren't really cracks but they become apparent when you're buffing out the guitar, and the only way I know to avoid them 100% is with the CA method before finishing.

I'd suggest fixing the major cracks as usual (hide glue) and then doing your pore filling with CA to ensure nothing else develops. I've had good luck with this method.


_________________
Instagram: @jfrenchluthier
Web: https://www.jfrenchguitars.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:10 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:44 am
Posts: 209
Location: Sweden
Thanks jfrench, yes checks might be a better description, sorry for my bad english. Thats is going to take a lot of CA.. Do you use compressed air or something to force it down through the checks? Do you use longtime or fast CA, or are they comparable in hardness? I have always thought that twopart epoxy is the hardest(as in hard to dissolve) glue available. Ive noticed that CA dissolves laquer, wont laquer do the same thing with the CA?

Sorry for my novice question, but I have limited experience with these kind of problems.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:21 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:40 am
Posts: 2694
Location: United States
First name: John
Last Name: How
City: Auburn
State: Ca
Country: USA
The CA should mostly wick into the cracks and you may have to fill with something else over that but it would I think, take care of the crack/checks you are seeing. Even though some CA can cause a reaction on Laquer, I think you should be safe going the other way. After your CA is sanded smooth you should be able to seal everything with schellac and then lacquer without problems.

_________________
Tickle your guitar daily, and it'll tickle you back.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:26 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:44 am
Posts: 209
Location: Sweden
Thanks folks, Ill try that then, and just porefill with epoxy over the CA.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:58 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:50 am
Posts: 3152
Location: Canada
Lars,

I am admittedly no expert here in the guitar field but I have used epoxy for various woodworking processes for well over 25 years. Epoxy will bond AND gap fill for you. No need to complete an extra step with CA if you plan to use epoxy anyway. Just my most humble opinion though!

Good luck

Shane

_________________
Canada


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com