Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Apr 26, 2025 12:13 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:00 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:10 am
Posts: 2020
Location: Argentina
Taylor and Martin get a lot of air time in the US. I've noticed that Tommy Emmanuel plays a Maton. Visiting the Maton website, it's easy to be impressed with their product.

Anyone ever played one, if so, which model and what did you think of it? TIA BD


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:23 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:02 am
Posts: 8553
Location: United States
First name: Lance
Last Name: Kragenbrink
City: Vandercook Lake
State: Michigan
Zip/Postal Code: 49203
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Don Williams ( you know that country singer dude) is an Authorized Maton Repair location.

_________________
Support the OLF! Bookmark our STEWMAC link Today!
Lance@LuthiersForum.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:26 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:16 am
Posts: 2244
Location: United States
First name: michael
Last Name: mcclain
City: pendleton
State: sc
Zip/Postal Code: 29670
Status: Professional
i lived in australia for 28 years or so and ran across many matons. they were without exception very well made and big sounding instruments, as good as or better than any of better known factory products, nazareth or kalamazoo/bozeman included.

kim hickey did a major restoration on one not long ago and may wish to add something here.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:53 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:25 pm
Posts: 7207
Location: United States
I don't know how "authorized" I am, but I did some repair work for them last year. Pretty decent instruments.

_________________
"I want to know what kind of pickups Vince Gill uses in his Tele, because if I had those, as good of a player as I am, I'm sure I could make it sound like that.
Only badly."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:18 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:40 am
Posts: 600
Location: United States
I'm curious about the Queensland Maple they use. Anyone have hands on experience. Is this tonewood contributing to the big sound? When finished out does it have the deep silky luster of the satinwood family it belongs too? I have some in the shop, but never cut it for acoustics.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:32 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:50 pm
Posts: 4662
Location: Napa, CA
Tommy more than "plays" his Matons. He literally beats the crap out of them using lots of percussive effects. The finish is literally worn off where he scrapes a pick on the lower bout to produce some unbelievable sounds. If you get a chance, listen to his song, "Initiation". All of that sound comes from a tortured Maton! Johnny Cool and I attended one of his concerts and were in awe watching what he did to those guitars.

Don, would that kind of treatment void the warranty! You should be grateful that you don't have to restore one of his models!

_________________
JJ
Napa, CA
http://www.DonohueGuitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:14 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:26 am
Posts: 2556
Location: United States
I used to think, " wouldn't it be awesome to have TE play one of my guitars". Then I sort of talked myself out of it the first time I saw what he does to a guitar. Bangs, thumps, scratches. bangs some more, Bends the neck to bend a note. I think it's the ultimate torture test for a guitar.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:23 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:31 am
Posts: 2103
Location: United Kingdom
In Wales we have a young guy called Gareth Pearson who is only 16 and a very hot player, Tommy has taken Gareth under his wing a bit and he has played support to him, Tommy gave him a Maton, I had the chance to examine it, it looked a very nicely made guitar, it was OM ish and gareth makes it sings.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:27 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:31 am
Posts: 2103
Location: United Kingdom
Gareth Pearson Holding Maton


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:05 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany

Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:34 am
Posts: 85
Location: United States
Two employees of Maton also branched off to create Cole Clark guitars which are reviewed highly and just recently have been available in the US market. They make the Fat lady series 1 2 and 3. Look at how they use a cnc router to route out the back. Interesting concept, will see if it proves over time. Ben Harper and Jack Johnson endorse these acoustics.Iplaytheoldies38740.8381018518


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:55 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:10 am
Posts: 2020
Location: Argentina


Wow, he needs to retire that guitar. It has Tommy's signature on it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:41 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:29 am
Posts: 137
Location: United States
I was supposed to build Tommy a baritone. I actually did, but it was dealing his manager that became too much of a nightmare, so it the deal fell apart. I don't chase artists that hard any more. Tommy is also working on a signature guitar with Morris Guitars (Japan). Funny thing -- a couple of years ago, the owners of Morris and their head luthier made appointments to see several high-end luthiers in the Northern California area. It was great to have them in my shop and see their reaction to my bracing theories! :) The next year at NAMM, I was looking at their guitars and the head rep said "We didn't copy, we just learned from you." The guitars sounded way better than the year before, so they did their homework at the various shops.

Lance


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:46 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:29 am
Posts: 137
Location: United States
Oh, I forgot to mention in 2000 I got the personal tour at Maton,and bought taz from them. I have photos some where?
Lance


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:46 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:10 am
Posts: 2020
Location: Argentina
Spys in the camp. Hey Lance, love your work. I'd like to hear the young lad above play his Maton. Then I'd like to hear him play one of yours. Heck, for that matter, I'd like to hear anyone play one of yours.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:08 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:29 am
Posts: 137
Location: United States
Thanks, Tommy was fun, but Todd Hallawell still wins ,
Tommy call him Mister tone!
Lance


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:43 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 23
Location: Australia
Out of lurk mode for a comment on Queensland maple. It makes a good
instrument, though most of it is pretty boring to look at, Maybe a little
heavier than mahogany, but a plain light tan colour. Ocassionally some is
available with a fairly wide flame. Good for necks especially. Of the
Matons, the ones with the best sound are usually the Queenland maple
models.

The Cole Clarke guitars are an interesting idea, but the top and back are
only held to the sides by the CNC routed slot in the top and back which
start out around 3/16" thick. A bit of diference between that and 5/8" of
kerfed lining and I have seen a couple which have been dropped and split
along the join

cheersgrahammcd38740.9477430556


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:32 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:10 am
Posts: 2020
Location: Argentina


Hi Graham, I see you wrote the book on bozoukis, eh? Way to go. I want a copy.



Graham's Website, interesting, thanks for the post.

Graham hides the links to the three downloads in plain sight. But I found them, here they are if you are interested:

Download the first chapter in PDF format
Download Andy Invine's Foreword in PDF
Download the Contents Page of the Bouzki BookDickey38741.3647569444


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:25 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:21 am
Posts: 2924
Location: Changes when ever I move..Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Hi Bruce, I have a 1979 Maton "Colonial", no model number just the name. Not too many of these around as they were fairly top shelf in their day. Maton began production of the Colonial in 1976 and at less than 200 units total stopped production in 1981. Orders for the Colonial declined with the 1979 introduction of the Maton "Messiah" with optional pickup as the new flagship of their range.

This old girl is a 14 fret dred constructed with solid plain grain Tassie Blackwood B/S, very, very tight grained Sitka top, brw bridge, tortoise bindings, pickgaurd, and heel cap, and very fine w/b/w/b/w/b/w purfling.

The thin neck is Red Maple fitted with old style ringed back gold plate grovers and whilst Maton claims the Colonial was fitted with a RW fretboard, mine is not, rather it looks to be Brigalow or some similar aussie desert timber with MOP dot inlay.

The upper bout is 11 1/2" the waist 10 3/4" and the lower a full 16". The over all body length is a robust 20 1/2" with the soundhole a moderate 3 7/8”. The sides tapper from 4 5/8" at the tail down to 3 7/8" at the heel. The sound is big, it rings crisp and clear and the bass punches clean and hard from that solid Blackwood back.

As Michael mentioned, I did recently do some repairs on this one. I bought the guitar relatively cheap as it did have issues when I got hold of it. I suspect she had been left in a car on a hot day and if anyone needs confirmation of just how devastating this can be to an instrument, take note.

As a result, the glue had failed at the upper transverse brace and the string tension had then pulled the neck back cracking the soundboard either side of the fretboard which slid it back into the soundhole a couple of mil. This badly deformed the rosette and popped the soundhole braces, shearing one and ungluing the other. In order for all this to happen, the sides at the neck joint of course had to deform inward by the same amount. Also one of the x braces had sheared for a good part of its length and was no longer offering any structural support.

Needless to say, the action of this guitar was dreadful then and if left at pitch, I have no doubt it would have eventually self destructed altogether. I am happy to say that with CrazymanMichael’s help (thanks Michael) and some tips from Frank Fords Frets.com (thanks Frank) I was able to affect a good repair and I am now the proud owner of this wonderful guitar.

At one time, I toyed with the idea of on selling to finance tools and wood, once I played it after the repair were complete, I immediately knew that this is just not going to happen. My only regret is that when I go to pick it up for a quick strum, I find myself still there a couple of hours later, nothing else has been done, and my wife is looking at me like I just shat in her shoe…..oh well.

Just in case there is any confusion here, I really do like my Maton guitar.

Before
(Strings slackend off, no tension)

After
(It remains the same with the strings at pitch)



Cheers all Kim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:20 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:10 am
Posts: 2020
Location: Argentina
[QUOTE=larkim] My only regret is that when I go to pick it up for a quick strum, I find myself still there a couple of hours later, nothing else has been done, and my wife is looking at me like I just shat in her shoe…..oh well. Cheers all Kim[/QUOTE]

Let me get off the floor and back to my keyboard.      Okay, we want pics of the Taz on your Maton. Great fix. And while you are at it, let's see a pic of the Mrs.s' shoes.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:34 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 23
Location: Australia
Thanks for the plug

StewMac and LMI have copies if anyone wants one. Next is a book on
mandolins.

cheers

graham


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:39 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:10 am
Posts: 2020
Location: Argentina
Thanks, no shipping that way, just drop it in the order.   


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com