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the pattern found in the '50 Tortis pickguards…

Tortoise, not Tortis

[QUOTE=Mario] the pattern found in the '50 Tortis pickguards…

Tortoise, not Tortis

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For Chrissakes Mario… I know what I'm writing!!!!

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There's a Tortis pattern that's supposed to emulate the '50 celluloid
tortoise guards and it's called '50 Tortis, sold by FQMS among others…
They also have a '30 Tortis pattern designed to emulate the, you guessed
it, '30 celluloid tortoise guards. The '50 are reddish/brownish, the '30
yellowish…
So Tortis it is, not tortoise…

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Laurent Brondel
West Paris, Maine - USA
http://www.laurentbrondel.com/

To resume (and clarify…), for PGs there is (or was):

1/ Real tortoise
2/ Celluloid designed to emulate real tortoise
3/Tortis material designed to emulate real tortoise
4/Tortis material designed to emulate celluloid emulating real tortoise
5/Tortis material with original and various patterns
6/ Newer celluloid "pastrami looking" imitating tortoise
7/Clear plastic sheets with a printed underside emulating celluloid (such
as those found on GE and Marquis series on the new Martins)
8/ Clear plastic sheets with a printed underside emulating Tortis
emulating celluloid (such as some sheets sold by LMI).

I'm hopelessly looking for #2…

I know Mario, it's tortoise, not Tortis. and sometimes the opposite…
I'm dislexic too, that doesn't help…

Gary from GW responded, he's putting together a new catalog that will be
ready in two weeks. he gives a good discount to builders too. Very nice.

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Laurent Brondel
West Paris, Maine - USA
http://www.laurentbrondel.com/

So do Turtle Works make Tortoises

[QUOTE=RussellR] So do Turtle Works make Tortoises [/
QUOTE]

I don't know anymore, you think??? I'm seeking help… Who are they? You
think they would sell to me if I explain myself? Do they speak English?
C'est tordu les tortues…

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Laurent Brondel
West Paris, Maine - USA
http://www.laurentbrondel.com/

Have you talked to Bill James? He ran an ad in the last issue of guitarmaker claiming to have tortoise (his spelling, not mine... ) He doesn't specifically list pick guards, but he might be able to help you out.

His web site is www.axinc.netBrock Poling38757.408287037

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Brock Poling
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.polingguitars.com

There's a Tortis pattern that's supposed to emulate the '50 celluloid tortoise guards and it's called '50 Tortis, sold by FQMS among others…

No, there is not a tortis pattern of any such thing. But there are lots of Tor-tis patterns available, including 30's, 40's and 50's tortoise...

I am merely trying to get you to stop using the wrong friggin' spelling, which will only lead to more confusion in your later years.

Now, repeat after me: there is no such thing as tortis. Only tor-tis, or tortoise.

It's like riding around with a redneck in his big diesel truck, and he turns to you and says "we need to pull in to the next station and gas up". You know he knows that he needs diesel fuel and not gas, but if he tells someone who borrows the truck to "gas it up before you bring it back, please', it can lead to a major headache.

just use the proper terms... <sigh>

yawn…

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Laurent Brondel
West Paris, Maine - USA
http://www.laurentbrondel.com/

burp...

I think I just stepped in something.

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http://www.dickeyguitars.com

I think I just stepped in something.

Tortoise droppings?

Shouldn't that be Tor - Tis Droppings

Anybody know where I can get some Tur-Tel?

Mario,
Repeat after me....there's no such word as 'nuther, only another. There's no such word as friggin', only, well, never mind.

You also forgot the period at the end of one of your sentences. I'm just trying to keep you from writing a sentence that never ends, and continues into your later years.<bg>

You need to write Dave Skowron about his website for Tortis picks, and let him know that there is no such word.

And tell the redneck to not put a 'nuther friggin' drop of gas, which should not be confused with gasoline, into the tank. Were you talking about propane or natural gas??? James Burkett38757.9555208333

While you are at it, you may as well call John Greven and chew him out for contributing to the confusion on his website. He doesn't realize that there is no such word as Tortis. But, you'd better hurry, he'll be into those later years before you know it. Maybe you can still save him.
http://grevenguitars.com/tortis2.htm

James Burkett38757.9544328704

oK Ya'll Repeat after Serge : Les tortues seront confondues... Les tortues ont mal au c..!

vat do dat mean???

James, having a bad evening?

We run across confusion due to folks using wrong terms all the time. Nothing wrong with trying to nip things in the bud. What's the point of having a common language to communicate of we all decide to make up terms as we go?

Daves picks have nothing to do with pickguards; the material is completely different. And Dave and I have discussed the problem of using the name 'Tor-Tis' for his picks, which lead to much confusion and much resistance by many who thought his picks were simply John's pickguard material. In the end, his picks were good enough that they survived and Dave and the picks are prospering well, but early-on, the name was indeed a problem.

Back to the terms, when Laurent first used the term tortis, I wasn't sure if he was indeed talking of John's stuff, or was he using the term for some of the other tortoise plastics. You still have to read his posts carefully to figure out exactly which sheet of what he is trying to make us see. If you tell me something is 50's tortis, I have to think you mean 50's tortoise, because there was no tor-tis ot tortis in the 50's. But in reality, he meant 50's pattern Tor-Tis. See where this leads to? We want to help, but if you use the Japanese term for something, and i use the French term, and Bill uses Greek while Lance uses English, how can we help one another? That's an extreme example, but it fits.

At one point, someone (Lance?) wrote on the forum here that "today, I kerfed the sides of the guitar". Now, taken literally, that line tells me he cut saw kerfs into the sides, presumably to make them pliable. Of course, that isn't what he meant; and what he meant was that he'd installed the linings on the sides of the guitar. We knew what he meant, but what of the lurkers who are new to all of this? What of those who don't speak English well, and use a translator service to read the forum(you'd be surprised...)?

We had someone on the MIMF who asked how to install 'kurflings'. Now, did he mean Kerfings, or purflings? Since the word kerfing as a noun doesn't really exist, it is even more frustrating.

I didn't chase anyone in this thread for kicks. I didn't get any 'fun' out of any of this. I simply wish to see us all speak the same language and use the same terms so that we can indeed help each other out. We can have fun with grammar and dialect, and we all make spelling errors, but using the wrong terms, or making up new ones, really has no place.

Pardon! ich nicht verstanden si...

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I'd like to be able to prove, just for once, that money wouldn't make me happy...

Yo entiendo que los mejores golpeadores son de Tor-tois®, un plastico muy
guapo. Sabeis a donde le comprarlo? Con la tortuga?

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Laurent Brondel
West Paris, Maine - USA
http://www.laurentbrondel.com/

[QUOTE=Mario] "James, having a bad evening?"

No, Mario. I was having a fun evening. That's why you see the smiley faces. I assumed most of your comments were in the name of fun.


[QUOTE=Mario] "Daves picks have nothing to do with pickguards; the material is completely different."

Re-read my posts. I never said that. I have owned 15 or 20 of Dave's picks, and hundreds of dollars worth of John's pickguard material. I am very familiar with both of them. You said there was no such word as Tortis. I simply pointed out that John, the creator of the Tor-tis pickguard material, sometimes refers to it as Tortis on his website. Dave, the maker/culture master of the Tortis pick, spells it that way on his website. Not at all the same material, but they both use the word. I never claimed it wasn't confusing, but it's kinda hard to fault others for using the term. Now the kurfling thing, I think that's a battle worth winning.

[QUOTE=Mario]"Back to the terms, when Laurent first used the term tortis, I wasn't sure if he was indeed talking of John's stuff"

He said Tortis "LOOKING". It really doesn't matter which one he was referring to. Tortoise looking, Tor-tis looking, Tortis (pick) looking, or Tortis (pickguard) looking, would all mean they "LOOK" something like tortoise shell. It didn't confuse me at all.

[QUOTE=Mario] "or was he using the term for some of the other tortoise plastics."

.....tortoise plastics?? Now that confuses me.

James, the line that started it all was: "the Tor-tis looking sheets are transparent sheets", then the one that really set it rolling was "which look a bit like Tor-tis, but ARE NOT Tor-tis (I know they sell Tor-tis sheets as well…)"

Since John makes countless numbers of pattern and colors of TorTis(actually, Collette makes 'em...), saying tortis looking tells us that there is some confusion as to the terminology being used, because tor-tis(or tortis)looking can mean anything.

If John wants to refer to his stuff as both tor-tis and tortis doesn't matter; we still should not refer to a 50's celluloid as "50's tortis or 50's tor-tis". If you are indeed refering to the 50's pattern Tor-Tis, then the word 'pattern' is key to keeping things clear.

But whatever, it is resolved, hopefully everyone else understands, I have sent Laurent to a source for his celluloid material that he is looking for, as did others, and all is fine.

I did this to help someone and to hopefully keep things clear for others. It';s why I come check-in here each day. You are doing this for why? What did you contribute to, here? Do you have a source for 50's pattern celluloid? Do you wish to share with laurent? Mario38758.7731828704

Ah Madre de Dios! Quando se comer aqui por favor ?

(Mario wrote) "It';s why I come check-in here each day. You are doing this for why? What did you contribute to, here? Do you have a source for 50's pattern celluloid? Do you wish to share with laurent?"

No, I didn't contribute to Laurent's search at all. By the time I checked in, this thread was already down to the parts about:

"I think I stepped in something"

"Tortoise droppings?"

"Tor-tis droppings?"

"Does turtleworks make tortoises?" Or something to that effect.

It was clearly out of the "helping Laurent" mode, and into the silly mode. Laurent already had all the useful information that he gained from the thread, and frankly, part of that came from you. My contribution was simply joining in on the fun. I certainly don't owe you any explanations on why I check in here every day, but it is possible that I contribute information to folks that you aren't aware of. I certainly am not here for the business, since, like you, I am not taking orders for guitars or repair work.