Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:06 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Stelle "Leadbelly" 12
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:03 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Here's a few photos of the Stelle 12 I'm building. Top is red spruce and back is ribbon sapele.
Box ready to close. Modified Stella bracing and 3 brace back.

Image

Purling and binding glued on.

Image

Image

Sapele back and ribs with B/W/B purfling.

Image

Thanks for looking.


Last edited by Haans on Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.


These users thanked the author Haans for the post: Guitarbuilder195 (Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:52 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:53 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:32 pm
Posts: 4
First name: A.J.
Last Name: Hancock
City: Ooltewah
State: Tennessee
Zip/Postal Code: 37363
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Very nice work, Haans!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:04 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:57 pm
Posts: 903
Location: London, England
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Sumptuous!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:19 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Thanks AJ and Nick!
Although Oscar Schmidt & Co did make a few oak 12's, Huddie's was mahogany...probably Honduras. I just prefer sapele because it it harder than the Honduras available these days and helps to make the Stella tone happen better than Honduras.


Last edited by Haans on Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:51 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Finally finished the construction part of the Stelle 12. Here's a few photos, ready to sand. Won't be able to do finishing on it for another month or so...

Image

Image

Captured neck splice...

Image

Offset pyramid bridge...

Image

Ready for sanding and finish...

Image


Last edited by Haans on Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:52 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5491
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Sheesh! That's nice.
I should visit this part of the forum more often, lots of interesting stuff.
Only discovered it recently! duh
How did I miss that? idunno

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:18 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:57 pm
Posts: 903
Location: London, England
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I bookmark the "active topics" page so I don't miss anything! :D Everyone should!
http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/search.php?search_id=active_topics


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:46 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 18, 2012 8:35 pm
Posts: 2660
Location: Austin, Texas
First name: Dan
Last Name: Smith
City: Round Rock
State: TX
Zip/Postal Code: 78681
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Hans, your mandolin designs are really cool!
Great website.
Dan

_________________
wah
Wah-wah-wah-wah
Wah


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:50 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Guess I should visit more often myself.
Thanks guys, still haven't gotten around to starting finishing on the Stella. My builds are all stacked up and first come first finished. Have a IRW GC in setup, and several in finishing now.
Good idea Nick, I should bookmark the active topics.
Thanks for the interest, guys!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:38 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 am
Posts: 1247
First name: Beth
Last Name: Mayer
City: Tucson
State: AZ
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Hans, I absolutely love that Stelle! Everything about it. When you use such wide purfling schemes, do you have to use wider lining/kerfiing to avoid routing the top off when you route the rabbets for it? The pictures seem to show "normal" gluing width on your rims, but it seems as though the wide purfling plus the binding might require routing really far in from the sides (unless you aren't routing all the way through the soundboard for the purfs.

I visited your site again yesterday...all I can say is...WOW. I'm kind of sorry that I build, because I'd love to buy one of your sweet parlors, but the money's all tied up in tools and wood....I bet I'm not the only one that pines for other builder's guitars. Hope you keep documenting your builds. I learn so much from them. Thanks! Beth


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:25 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Thank you Beth!
Kerfing is normal, but yes, with purfling that wide, you do have to be careful. It does extend over the kerfing. My tops are tapered, but never much fall below .090" or so at the edge. Many of my tops are more like .125 at the center. Most of the 12 strings have very thick tops, upwards of .160". Most abalone is at .060, so I rarely go as deep as that.
I use a modified jig for cutting mandolin soundhole purfling on oval holes.
Here I have just finished the rough cut of the inside edge of the purfling.

Image

Next I rout the binding slot.

Image

Lastly, I chisel off the purfling slot excess. It provided a surface for the rout of the binding slot. Lately I have just been routing it off with a dremel router and 1/8" bit. You can see that half the top is still there, and the purfling gets glued in with LMI glue.

Image

Slots are cleaned up with various safe edge files.

Image

Purfling is applied.

Image

The purfling edge is filed and lastly the binding is installed.
You should build your own parlor! Don't X brace it...



These users thanked the author Haans for the post: Beth Mayer (Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:15 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:18 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 am
Posts: 1247
First name: Beth
Last Name: Mayer
City: Tucson
State: AZ
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Brilliant, Hans! Thanks so much for sharing that and posting the pictures. I can't imagine wrangling all that purfling and binding in one go! I just did a top with one small purf strip and binding and glue and bad words were EVERYWHERE :). But yes, I do want to make a parlor. And I will follow your advice and watch your process (I think you have pictures of one of your parlor top's bracing schemes). I can't wait to get one of those little buggers in my hands.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:03 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Beth, I have long ago stopped trying to apply purfling and binding at the same time, especially wide or multi piece purfling. You will get too much variation in width, and you must file the edge of the purfling and lower part of the top to the binding slot for a good fit of the binding to the purfling. I usually rout the top just a tiny bit large for the purfling and file the under part of the spruce down.
Yes, sometimes it does get a little testy applying 4-5 strips of purfling and the teflon spacer is really a SOB sometimes.
Hope all this helps you out...



These users thanked the author Haans for the post: Beth Mayer (Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:29 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 12:59 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:35 pm
Posts: 43
First name: Murray
Last Name: Hunt
City: Whistler
State: BC
Zip/Postal Code: V0N 1B1
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Hey Haans,

Really cool stuff. Is that duct tape you use for your purfling/binding? If so, doesn't it tear up the fibers from the spruce when you remove it?

Thanks!
Murray


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:28 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Thanks Murray!
I've stopped using duct tape and now use strapping tape which is even more sticky. The Idea is when the glue is dry, you start at an end of the strip and roll it off, not rip it off. I also most only use red spruce and that is a stronger top wood, although you still can rip chunks out if you are careless. It probably takes longer than cord or long pieces of inner tube or whatever, but you can pull strapping tape mighty tight. Notice the binding is not the usual .060" but more like .090" too. It's a pain to bend. Usually hit it with a heat gun too...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:05 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Finally tinted the top on this one to get ready to fill and dye the sapele back and ribs. Scraped all the purfling and applied 4 good coats of lacquer. Will mask off and then fill with black paste filler.

Image

Seems as through finishing will be non-stop this summer...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:28 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Have a few coats of lacquer on the ribbon Sapele. Did my first level sanding and applying a second set of coats...

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:02 pm 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13386
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Beautiful Hans!

That baby is going to sound fantastic playing House of The Rising Sun and much, much more! [:Y:]



These users thanked the author Hesh for the post: Haans (Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:20 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:10 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:47 pm
Posts: 1213
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Ringo
I love that ladder/herringbone purfling... I'm usually pretty minimalist when it comes to that kind of stuff but on yours it really looks great



These users thanked the author James Ringelspaugh for the post: Haans (Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:20 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:43 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Thanks guys!
Probably not House of the Rising Sun, Hesh, but more like Bourgeois Blues, Fannin Street, Pigmeat and Silver City Bound...
James I really like the purfling too, but it's a bear to apply. Have to buy it split or split it yourself. Doesn't look good on a lot of instruments, and I really don't like it on the back like Stella did, but it does look good on a vintage style instrument. I mostly like my backs pretty plain...it's about the wood on the backside.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com