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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:11 pm 
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wanted to see if anyone is interested in building me an acoustic ....cedar/walnut or mahogany


Thanks John


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:22 pm 
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Just curious, but what's age got to do with it?



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:32 pm 
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Shot at a longer real warranty?

Just guessing.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:36 pm 
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Maybe "young" in their career as luthiers?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:51 pm 
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To be the cynic - Maybe young and callow and easily scammed. gaah laughing6-hehe

(They have already hit some of the old and gullible and easily scammed a few years back)



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:16 am 
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I was 14 when I joined the forum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:09 am 
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Most of us could easily build you a guitar, a nice guitar.

And in fact an older more experienced Luthier often builds a better guitar....

From my standpoint as a full time maker I am a bit put off by your opening request. Little things like the way you phrase a question can see that you never get a spot in my build queue. ;-)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:37 am 
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When I look at some of the guitars I built when I was "young", I don't think "young" is where you want to start when you order a custom guitar. And yes, I can look at them because they are still hanging on my shop wall.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:06 am 
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young = cheap?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:25 am 
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It's definitely an odd first post. Being someone who trys first to see the best in people perhaps he just wants to give a young and budding luthier a chance?



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:32 am 
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Meaning young in Luthier career …...age has nothing to do with it
Wanting to give someone a chance that's all


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:46 am 
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Now you need to redefine 'young' in those terms. So if you define the 'age' of the luthier in the quantity of guitars built then ten seems to be the magic number for most young luthiers. After ten guitars the fit and finish is good enough to pass as sellable. After about 50 the tone is dialed in and the luthiers fingerprint starts to take shape. As Brian said most, even the young ones, can make a decent guitar. Even the first ten might sound spectacular but not look so great. In the end though you will probably be ok buying from a young luthier and I know when I was young I appreciated people taking the risks. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:58 am 
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towzer wrote:
Meaning young in Luthier career …...age has nothing to do with it
Wanting to give someone a chance that's all



You may be better off stating your desires/requirements including intended budget. This is certainly a place where you can find ‘young’ luthiers, so go speak.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:17 pm 
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Cedar top
Mahog or Walnut back and sides
Ebony bridge and fingerboard
45mm nut width
Ebony headplate
Auditorium or Jumbo size
Budget $2K

PM me here if interested


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:15 pm 
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Being as you are from Canada, is your budget in Canadian or US dollars. If Canadian I wouldn’t expect any US makers to be interested given the difference in our dollar.
Just saying.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:02 pm 
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USD


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:23 am 
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I consider your request reasonable and am sure you will get some takers. You can’t sustain a business hand making guitars at that price, but that is far from unreasonable for someone who is still learning his trade.

If your initial post seemed to get some pushback it is because we have all seen similar requests that were far from reasonable. They usually go:

“I want someone to custom make me a guitar, put 100+ hours into it, and charge me less than a cheap Chinese factory pumping out thousands of guitars a month with a government subsidy and near slave labor.”

Two bits of unsolicited advice:

1) take your email address out of your post. This forum, like all forums, is constantly being scrapped by malicious software. People can contact you privately directly through this forum.

2) For several years I helped teach guitar building. What I noticed is that all that extra attention a hand built guitar got, even from a first time builder, usually sounded and played way above its class. Where factories seem to have the edge is in cosmetics. Robot spray machines, dedicated binding ledge cutters, etc., means factory guitars can cover a lot of sloppy set up and build with super glossy finish. Keep your plans for a cosmetically simple guitar, and you will be likely very happy with what a “youngster” even in their sixties will make for you.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:53 am 
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I’m an old Luthier but I will sell you this one for $2000. Plus shipping plus the cost of the case...
It’s a great sounding guitar by the way
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:29 am 
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Dang, Brad!!!!
$2K is $2K though.
You built that when you were very young, right? :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:21 pm 
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I would jump on that in a heartbeat.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:56 pm 
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It’s been sitting in a music store for six months at $2900 so if you subtract 25% commission I’m almost there anyway also considering and I have seven guitars for sale it’s time to cull the herd...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:40 pm 
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Thanks for the offer ....
is this cedar top? Looks like spruce


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You should jump on Brads offer

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:49 pm 
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What are you looking to get out of a cedar top?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:38 am 
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i play mostly fingerstyle and prefer the sound of it over spruce


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