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 Post subject: Another build. 17ish
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:03 am 
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Hey guys... hope everyone is well ...
First a funny thing. Son is getting a new strat for birthday and I forgot but they are built in .... CORONA!!
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Here are some pics of my current thing that’s happening
Bubinga. Bearclaw spruce. Ziricote fingerboard w bubinga inlay
Hog neck..
y’all know the drill:)
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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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I love the grain on that top! I've always kind of preferred that sort of "thick" grain vs. the usual "white bread" grain that alot of tops have.


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DanKirkland wrote:
I love the grain on that top! I've always kind of preferred that sort of "thick" grain vs. the usual "white bread" grain that alot of tops have.

Well it’s not an expensive top... fairly wide grain and good bear claw. But it felt nice and stiff. At no17 I’m still using fairly budget priced materials


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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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SnowManSnow wrote:
DanKirkland wrote:
I love the grain on that top! I've always kind of preferred that sort of "thick" grain vs. the usual "white bread" grain that alot of tops have.

Well it’s not an expensive top... fairly wide grain and good bear claw. But it felt nice and stiff. At no17 I’m still using fairly budget priced materials


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Budget doesn't mean it'll be bad. Some of the best sounding acoustics I've heard were put together from what we'd consider pretty crappy materials. Case in point being a late wartime '40s J45 (we could never nail down the exact date) I had on my bench 3 years ago. Had a 4 piece mahogany top, grain runout al over on every piece, braces cut from pretty low quality spruce and kerfing from what looked like poplar, poplar neck and tailblock. But I can honestly tell you that it was one of the best sounding acoustics I ever had the pleasure of working on.

I think alot of us, myself incuded get caught up in the "timber obsession" thing. It looks like it's going to be a great acoustic honestly, I'm interested to see the final product.


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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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DanKirkland wrote:
SnowManSnow wrote:
DanKirkland wrote:
I love the grain on that top! I've always kind of preferred that sort of "thick" grain vs. the usual "white bread" grain that alot of tops have.

Well it’s not an expensive top... fairly wide grain and good bear claw. But it felt nice and stiff. At no17 I’m still using fairly budget priced materials


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Budget doesn't mean it'll be bad. Some of the best sounding acoustics I've heard were put together from what we'd consider pretty crappy materials. Case in point being a late wartime '40s J45 (we could never nail down the exact date) I had on my bench 3 years ago. Had a 4 piece mahogany top, grain runout al over on every piece, braces cut from pretty low quality spruce and kerfing from what looked like poplar, poplar neck and tailblock. But I can honestly tell you that it was one of the best sounding acoustics I ever had the pleasure of working on.

I think alot of us, myself incuded get caught up in the "timber obsession" thing. It looks like it's going to be a great acoustic honestly, I'm interested to see the final product.

Hoping so:) its a deeper body OM.


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That piece of ziricote you used for the fretboard is super cool and I like the color of the fretmarker dots. What are they made from?

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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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J De Rocher wrote:
That piece of ziricote you used for the fretboard is super cool and I like the color of the fretmarker dots. What are they made from?

The dots are from the same wood as the back and sides:) bubibga


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Rosette came out nice tight and simple:
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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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Snow

How tall is your X brace at the center joint?

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You could have a real nice one there. Remember, tops are graded on cosmetics quite a bit. Bubinga is a highly under-rated back and side material. It would get a lot more respect if it was $650.00 a set. I heard a bubinga guitar made by Sergei De Yonge and it was amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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Ruby50 wrote:
Snow

How tall is your X brace at the center joint?

Ed

Highest is 5/8 on this guitar. Normally I may go shorter a bit, however the top wasn’t SUPER stiff on its own and I felt it may need a little extra brace.

I shaved braces until I got that strong initial attack and then a reaffirmation almost... kinda hard to explain.

I could be over braces though yes


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Ruby50 wrote:
Snow

How tall is your X brace at the center joint?

Ed

I’m always open to constructive criticism :) I just assumed it looked tall... and it does...
I really need to figure out a deflection method or something very very soon


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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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Top binding all glued up
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 Post subject: Re: Another build. 17ish
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bftobin wrote:
You could have a real nice one there. Remember, tops are graded on cosmetics quite a bit. Bubinga is a highly under-rated back and side material. It would get a lot more respect if it was $650.00 a set. I heard a bubinga guitar made by Sergei De Yonge and it was amazing.

Brent

Sergei could make a guitar from his back hair and it would sound amazing though :)


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The lower tone bars do look a bit tall and I do wonder about that scalloped pattern with the peaks at the center seam like that. Are you hypothesizing something with that design?

The good thing about over bracing though is that you can always reach in and fix it ;) It could sound killer as is and if not then make changes.

In fact if anything I like to err on the side of too big.

It's a great looking guitar. I have built one Bubinga guitar and have a few sets left, it's great stuff.


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jfmckenna wrote:
The lower tone bars do look a bit tall and I do wonder about that scalloped pattern with the peaks at the center seam like that. Are you hypothesizing something with that design?

The good thing about over bracing though is that you can always reach in and fix it ;) It could sound killer as is and if not then make changes.

In fact if anything I like to err on the side of too big.

It's a great looking guitar. I have built one Bubinga guitar and have a few sets left, it's great stuff.

This may be a chance for me to correct some thinking
Perhaps I interpreted something wrong.
In Robbies video class he stated that he bings the peaks in 3” from the rims because of how the sound wave ripples (maybe not the right explanation).
So, those peaks are 3” apart
If I got that wrong help me understand please

Also teaching in would be easier than normal since it’s a deeper body OM


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SnowManSnow wrote:
jfmckenna wrote:
The lower tone bars do look a bit tall and I do wonder about that scalloped pattern with the peaks at the center seam like that. Are you hypothesizing something with that design?

The good thing about over bracing though is that you can always reach in and fix it ;) It could sound killer as is and if not then make changes.

In fact if anything I like to err on the side of too big.

It's a great looking guitar. I have built one Bubinga guitar and have a few sets left, it's great stuff.

This may be a chance for me to correct some thinking
Perhaps I interpreted something wrong.
In Robbies video class he stated that he bings the peaks in 3” from the rims because of how the sound wave ripples (maybe not the right explanation).
So, those peaks are 3” apart
If I got that wrong help me understand please

Also teaching in would be easier than normal since it’s a deeper body OM


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Not sure what O'Brien was saying but 3in from the edge of the side sounds reasonable. But probably not 3in from the opposite side of the tone bars which is the X-Brace, IOW 3in from the X-Brace too. I am simply looking at it with traditional sunglasses on. IOW it's not the way Martin would do it, that sort of thing. But then, those designs are time tested and proven. Maybe you are on to something, if not then you can always adjust it.

The way I like to think about scalloped braces is, make the guitar a straight braced guitar first. So design it as though you had straight bracing in mind. Then weaken the the braces at the point where they will allow the top to have that speaker cone like vibration. So that's more in the middle of the lower bout and build the stress up towards but not all the way too the sides.



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jfmckenna wrote:
SnowManSnow wrote:
jfmckenna wrote:
The lower tone bars do look a bit tall and I do wonder about that scalloped pattern with the peaks at the center seam like that. Are you hypothesizing something with that design?

The good thing about over bracing though is that you can always reach in and fix it ;) It could sound killer as is and if not then make changes.

In fact if anything I like to err on the side of too big.

It's a great looking guitar. I have built one Bubinga guitar and have a few sets left, it's great stuff.

This may be a chance for me to correct some thinking
Perhaps I interpreted something wrong.
In Robbies video class he stated that he bings the peaks in 3” from the rims because of how the sound wave ripples (maybe not the right explanation).
So, those peaks are 3” apart
If I got that wrong help me understand please

Also teaching in would be easier than normal since it’s a deeper body OM


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Not sure what O'Brien was saying but 3in from the edge of the side sounds reasonable. But probably not 3in from the opposite side of the tone bars which is the X-Brace, IOW 3in from the X-Brace too. I am simply looking at it with traditional sunglasses on. IOW it's not the way Martin would do it, that sort of thing. But then, those designs are time tested and proven. Maybe you are on to something, if not then you can always adjust it.

The way I like to think about scalloped braces is, make the guitar a straight braced guitar first. So design it as though you had straight bracing in mind. Then weaken the the braces at the point where they will allow the top to have that speaker cone like vibration. So that's more in the middle of the lower bout and build the stress up towards but not all the way too the sides.

I’ll follow that procedure next time. Makes sense


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I’ll have time to finish shaping the neck tomorrow!
I’m starting to convince these trees to shake hands and be a guitar!
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Started FP over the weekend. Pore fill was done with pumice . So far I’ve bodied the back with 30 coats of ruby. I’ll body the sides with the same and then 10-15 of blonde for some depth.
Looking very nice so far. Much better than the last time I attempted it:)

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Neck is done

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Great looking combination of woods. Nice job.

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