Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:33 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:48 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:54 am
Posts: 854
State: Texas
Country: United States
Focus: Repair
Just curious what you all shoot for with top thickness's in general. I'm sure I'll experiment with different ones down the road but I'm kind of looking for a general measurement to shoot for for my first few acoustics.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:32 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:47 pm
Posts: 2523
First name: Jay
Last Name: De Rocher
City: Bothell
State: Washington
I generally start the gradual thinning of the top from around 0.130 thick. Final thicknesses have been in the range of 0.101" to 0.117". That said, I don't aim for a thickness. The thickness is what I end up with after thinning the top until it passes the sheet metal test and deflection measurements.

_________________
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right - Robert Hunter


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:00 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm
Posts: 7380
First name: Ed
Last Name: Bond
City: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Exactly. The thickness is a byproduct, not a target.

I can tell you though the .110 for Sitka spruce is almost certainly a safe number to start with, which is basically factory standard.

Then, if you make a deflection jig and measure it, you’ll have somewhere plausible as a reference for the future when you adjudicate the guitar once done.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:03 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:20 am
Posts: 5968
Classical guitar builders will go quite a bit thinner - 2mm or about .080 inch.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:22 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am
Posts: 6256
Location: Virginia
What kind of guitar are you building?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:26 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:54 am
Posts: 854
State: Texas
Country: United States
Focus: Repair
jfmckenna wrote:
What kind of guitar are you building?


My version of a jumbo. 17.5 wide OM inspired shape.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:57 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:20 am
Posts: 5968
Wood species generally, and the particular top's qualities specifically, also is a factor to be considered.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:57 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:46 pm
Posts: 527
First name: Mark
Last Name: McLean
City: Sydney
State: New South Wales
Zip/Postal Code: 2145
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Yes, like everybody says, you don’t want to hold any specific measurement as proscriptive. But you do need somewhere to start. For spruce species it would be 0.110 inches in Texas, or 2.8mm in the rest of the world. A bit more for cedar, a bit less for a hardwood like mahogany. But every piece is different, so you then hold it in your hands and feel if it is starting to get a little bit floppy. If so, it is time to brace it. If it is still stiff and resistant to wobbling - thin it a bit more. You can go a bit thinner on a small instrument, but err on the side of thicker for your jumbo.



These users thanked the author Mark Mc for the post: DanKirkland (Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:57 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:57 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am
Posts: 6256
Location: Virginia
DanKirkland wrote:
jfmckenna wrote:
What kind of guitar are you building?


My version of a jumbo. 17.5 wide OM inspired shape.


That's a bigun. I'd start at .125 and go from there.



These users thanked the author jfmckenna for the post: DanKirkland (Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:57 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:59 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:21 pm
Posts: 3389
Location: Alexandria MN
I have gravitated towards a little thicker tops over the years. Partly from player feedback, and advice from my friend Hans Brentrup who used to post here. I seem to recall reading an article in the Guild journal where some prominent builders including Linda Manzer said the same.

The deflection that equates to the sound that I am after and has been well received usually results in an OM top of 0.114-0.118 for Sitka and Lutz. More on the lower range for Adi. Around .125 for a dred and in the 90’s for a parlor.

This is with pretty conventional Martin style scalloped X bracing.

Many different paths to a good outcome eh?

_________________
It's not what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you do know that's wrong.



These users thanked the author Terence Kennedy for the post: DanKirkland (Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:19 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Top Thickness?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:28 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:50 pm
Posts: 3929
Location: United States
The top tells you what thickness to make it, if you ask nicely. This is mostly based on stiffness along the grain, and you will need to come up with some measurement of that. There are folks who can do that by feel, but I'm told that when the experiments are done it turns out that very few people are as good at it as they think they are. There are fairly easy ways to measure this, and doing so will go along way toward making your work consistent.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: doncaparker and 64 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com