Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:25 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:21 am 
Online
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5497
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Unfortunately done by me - not a happy man!
Guitar was a badly misused Epiphone Texan in the last stages of repair for my friend, who was almost in tears when his guitar was handed back to him unplayable after an extended loan to a "friend".
It was his first real guitar when he started a band ~45 years ago.
Taking 2" low tack masking tape used for protection during the fret job off, I lifted the nitro finish, STILL attached to the top layer of the spruce laminate! - wow7-eyes oops_sign
Attachment:
1.jpg

Took rest of the day off to consider what to do - contemplated having an "accidental" fire/possible suicide/break-in and theft?
Decided to attempt repair, settled on fish glue to give plenty time to line everything up.
Used a piece of very low tack tape to stop and more lifting, slightly thinned (10%) fish glue brushed on, held down with a layer of parchment paper, a slice of car cleaning sponge to distribute pressure, a ply board and about 30 lbs of iron and lead to keep everything flat.
Attachment:
2.jpg

Left for 24hrs, and holding my breath, checked how it looked -
Attachment:
3.jpg

Pretty much everything held in place, Gluboost and the pickguard will finish of the rest, but I could have done without the hassle.
Just relieved I should be able to hand back a reasonably presentable and playable guitar to my friend.


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:27 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5824
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
All part of making your bones in the repair biz. Well done.

We won't talk about some of my eff-ups.... some were spectacular!

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:52 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:02 am
Posts: 3263
Location: The Woodlands, Texas
First name: Barry
Last Name: Daniels
That layer was already delaminated, you just uncovered it. And then repaired it for free. Your client should be happy with the work. Don't you love laminated guitars?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:47 pm 
Online
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5497
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Barry Daniels wrote:
...................Don't you love laminated guitars?

(Gritted teeth icon) - yes I just love them..... pfft gaah
Good thing the bridge is bolted on...

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:20 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am
Posts: 6256
Location: Virginia
Wow! Well in all fairness to you there was something wrong there anyway. Low tack, even regular tack, should never do that.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:49 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13387
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Yep it was a basket case in the first place and all you are doing is uncovering what is already wrong with it. That ease of delamination and this thing has been seriously baked or dried out or both before and there is no telling how much else is on the cusp of letting loose.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:19 am 
Online
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5497
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Looks like the original poly was aggressively sanded off because the top layer of spruce was so thin it was barely there.
Kind of suspicious about that, as the owner was "persuaded" to have top colored (opaquely) before the refinish and he didn't like it at all. Originally it was natural.
Sounds like something was being hidden by that color, possibly a sand through.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.



These users thanked the author Colin North for the post: Hesh (Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:20 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:57 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:58 pm
Posts: 192
Location: usa
First name: george
Last Name: s
Country: usa
Focus: Repair
Status: Amateur
Barry Daniels wrote:
That layer was already delaminated, you just uncovered it. And then repaired it for free. Your client should be happy with the work. Don't you love laminated guitars?


I have taken to removing even low tack tape with naphtha. I've had this happen on older instruments before, and it is heartbreaking and a bit of work to repair. Nice job.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com