Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:30 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:47 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:59 pm
Posts: 2103
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Country: Romania
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
bluescreek wrote:
I think it may be safe to say Hesh and I have done more compression fretting than any of you. I have been doing them for over 20 years.

if you insist on this , I find Jescar frets wire has the best options right now with a 43 80 fretwire.
Set up 2 weight about 5 lb each


Thank you for the headstart. I will likely go this route, even if I hate fretting the actual guitar. For the past few years I have built separate, elevated necks, fretted with a press. Hamerring on a guitar feels so barbaric in comparison :)))

_________________
Build log



These users thanked the author Alexandru Marian for the post: Hesh (Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:19 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:11 pm 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13386
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Alexandru Marian wrote:
bluescreek wrote:
I think it may be safe to say Hesh and I have done more compression fretting than any of you. I have been doing them for over 20 years.

if you insist on this , I find Jescar frets wire has the best options right now with a 43 80 fretwire.
Set up 2 weight about 5 lb each


Thank you for the headstart. I will likely go this route, even if I hate fretting the actual guitar. For the past few years I have built separate, elevated necks, fretted with a press. Hamerring on a guitar feels so barbaric in comparison :)))


I never liked hammering on a guitar it does seem abusive. When we use the StewMac reamer to ream out the end pin hole for a pick-up at some point it squeals and screams and because it's an acoustic amplifier it's unbearably loud too like a giant animal being killed... So I always stuff a towel in the sound hole before I ream.

Anyway we've been able to come up with some pretty clever ways to use the Jaws II fret press tool everywhere on a steel string guitar even over the body frets. So we don't hammer at all except maybe to replace the fret we removed for a new reset and then we always do a fret dress too after a neck reset.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:15 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:21 am
Posts: 4903
Location: Central PA
First name: john
Last Name: hall
City: Hegins
State: pa
Zip/Postal Code: 17938
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
There is hammering and there is tapping I find the best hammer is a cobblers chasing hammer. Not a framers hammer

_________________
John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it



These users thanked the author bluescreek for the post: Hesh (Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:51 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:16 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:52 am
Posts: 4524
First name: Big
Last Name: Jim
State: Deep in the heart of Bluegrass
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Quote:
My (guess) plan is to use 3 carbon rods, deep inlaid (or a full depth ebony spine plus 2 carbon rods at the thirds) and about 0.005 built in relief. The strings are going to be lights and my hope is they will pull a bit more for a total of about 0.01 Perhaps a dead flat no-tension FB is OK when mediums?

Very curious how you guys approach this sort of anachronistic neck build :)

Thanks!



I have been very happy with the 4 i have built so far

Attachment:
IMG_1987.jpg
Attachment:
IMG_1988.jpg
Attachment:
IMG_1990.jpg


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:33 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am
Posts: 6256
Location: Virginia
I use a cobblers hammer too and I've bought a few dedicated dead blow fretting hammers and always go back to the cobblers. My trick for fretting over the body is to cut those slots a hair wider and glue them in with just light blows of the hammer while holding a piece of steel on and under the top through the sound hole to take some of the shock. So far so good.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 1:07 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:59 pm
Posts: 2103
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Country: Romania
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
cobbler hammer...that sounds like an interesting addition to the collection. I did try a number of small steel hammers I already had. Nice feel but even with light taps, frets get marred. My goal was always to make a perfect wood job in advance, insert the frets perfectly, thus having the least amount of dressing to do. In this regard the special fretting hammers are gentler, but the hammering feel is yuck. Best for me, before discovering pressing, was a hammer I made from lead. Accidentally found a chunk in the old garage junk box, light bulb, cut it in hammer shape, fixed a handle and voila. From time to time I file the fret indentations off. Now I use a 1 ton press with a Stewmac head and it is pretty much Space age tech in comparison :)) Fortunately it also works on the first 8 frets or so on a traditionally built 12 fret too.

_________________
Build log


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:28 am 
Online
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:02 am
Posts: 3263
Location: The Woodlands, Texas
First name: Barry
Last Name: Daniels
I use to do like Jeff and cut the slots over the body wider but have switched to a fret barber which really works well. You can take a bit off the barb until you get the right fit. I made my own version of the barber with broken pieces off a single cut file.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:26 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:21 am
Posts: 4903
Location: Central PA
First name: john
Last Name: hall
City: Hegins
State: pa
Zip/Postal Code: 17938
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
fret tangs on the extension I use .0185 to .0195
I also use the Fret Buck
this absorbs the taps.

The reason I use it is I prefer to prep the fret board on the guitar after I set the neck This allows me to get
the best possible fret plane for that particular guitar.

We all have our own tricks and that is why we all have differing opinions after all its about the end result

Hesh may do some things differently than I , and this is good , there are always other ways to do things.

_________________
John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it



These users thanked the author bluescreek for the post: Hesh (Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:06 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 37 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com