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Hesh
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 4:09 pm 
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From our friends at my favorite guitar store where I buy a lot of my stuff Elderly Instruments in Lansing Michigan.

Great video, a must for builders wanting to learn how we came to where we are today.

https://youtu.be/S3yEXGv5EBs


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Also I never learned how to use the YouTube feature of this forum, likely over 40,000 posts by me so far and I couldn't ever figure this out.... If anyone wants to repost the video using the Youtube function and give us a toot how I would be very grateful... thanks :)
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Hesh wrote:
Also I never learned how to use the YouTube feature of this forum, likely over 40,000 posts by me so far and I couldn't ever figure this out.... If anyone wants to repost the video using the Youtube function and give us a toot how I would be very grateful... thanks :)

The trick is that it was never upgraded after the change to using https:// instead of http:// for most web sites. Also you need the proper youtube URL (not youtu.be). So in this case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3yEXGv5EBs
Then surround with [ youtube ] tags, and voila:



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Thanks Dennis I hope you are doing great.
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Prior to Martin, makers of both 'Spanish' and 'English' guitars in England used X bracing. The 'English guittar' (note spelling) was actually a pear-shaped cittern, usually with ten metal strings variously arranged, and may have been introduced in England by German makers. A student of mine restored one several years ago that had been built in London around 1820, by Harley, and it has an X braced top. Makers in the Spanish style, the one we're used to, seem to have picked that up, and C. F. Martin may have seen one of those English instruments. There was an article about this in 'American Lutherie' some time back. Martin didn't invent X bracing, but he was smart enough to know a good thing when he saw it.


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Thanks Alan that's how I heard it too about who didn't invent X-bracing.

John Hall has some great specific knowledge for this exact guitar and how it came to Martin.
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Somewhere in my closet I have an early X braced guitar (possibly Schmidt and Maul?) that might give Martin a run for its money as an earliest X braced guitar. The X bracing is not typical to what we see today IRRC. It's a fancy little thing with a lot of inlay work on the top.


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I found this great recording of an early X braced guitar. from 1853. You can see the mic placement. True to the era it has gut trebles, and rayon (not silk) basses

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sl7UTx558GY

But I found another video that has some history behind the instrument that is interesting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bT6M50tjwOI

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