Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:24 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:35 am 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:32 pm
Posts: 18
First name: David
Last Name: Harris
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
So , my first actual newbe question . After cutting the fret slots with a .53mm Pax saw , I have come to realise that all the fret wire I have is .71mm tang width . Exactly what size tang fret wire should I be using ? My first build used a precut finger board with .71mm slots . Something I didn't even consider when buying fret wire .


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:11 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5492
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
At 0.71 mm width I think you're actually talking the width across the tips of the barbs.
https://jescarmusic.com/pages/fret-wire-specifications
0.53 mm slot should be good for most tangs, just slightly larger, although it's best to check before cutting slots, some are larger, DAMHIK.
The barbs bite into the wood to secure them in the slot.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:03 am 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:32 pm
Posts: 18
First name: David
Last Name: Harris
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Yeah , these frets are .71 at the tang and .96 across the barbs . Others I have are .58 and .86 which I bought ready cut and trimmed. I think they might fit if I have enough . Cheers .


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:59 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5492
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
OK.
That's a pretty big tang width....

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:07 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:20 am
Posts: 5968
BlindGuitar wrote:
Yeah , these frets are .71 at the tang and .96 across the barbs . Others I have are .58 and .86 which I bought ready cut and trimmed. I think they might fit if I have enough . Cheers .
Colin North wrote:
OK.
That's a pretty big tang width....


The thicker tang might be good for doing refrets on guitars that have been refretted a few times and have worn out fret slots. bliss


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:18 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:52 am
Posts: 1263
City: Lawrence
State: Kansas
Zip/Postal Code: 66047
Status: Amateur
Do we need a zero after the point?
maybe .071 instead of .71 and .096 instead of .96.

_________________
Say what you do, Do what you say.



These users thanked the author Dave Rickard for the post (total 2): Hesh (Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:16 am) • bcombs510 (Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:18 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:19 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:21 am
Posts: 3594
First name: Brad
Last Name: Combs
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Dave Rickard wrote:
Do we need a zero after the point?


Puts a new spin on “jumbo” don’t it?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

_________________
Insta - https://www.instagram.com/cbcguitars/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/cbcguitars


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:26 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:16 am
Posts: 485
First name: Brian
City: U.P.
State: Michigan
Focus: Build
I think they are using that alien metric system.

Glad Windows 10 has a built in calculator with a conversion tool.

0.71mm = 0.028"

_________________
Brian R, Wood Mechanic
N8ZED



These users thanked the author rbuddy for the post: bcombs510 (Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:34 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:37 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:21 am
Posts: 3594
First name: Brad
Last Name: Combs
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
rbuddy wrote:
Glad Windows 10 has a built in calculator with a conversion tool.


I did not know that! Thanks for the tip! :)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

_________________
Insta - https://www.instagram.com/cbcguitars/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/cbcguitars


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:12 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:32 pm
Posts: 18
First name: David
Last Name: Harris
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Dave Rickard wrote:
Do we need a zero after the point?
maybe .071 instead of .71 and .096 instead of .96.

Not with Metric we don't .



These users thanked the author BlindGuitar for the post: Dave Rickard (Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:08 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:22 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13386
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Where is your wire from and what is the part number?

Frets should fit the slot with moderate pressure but not be too tight. If they are too tight they force the neck into back bow which is yet another reason to always use a quality double action truss rod.

It's common for us to press one fret in just to observe the fit and then adjust accordingly.

In the Martin guitar world, vintage Martins before the early 70s did not have truss rods so the neck is manipulated in its shape with every fret installed with a different tang width. Can't remember if there are 5 or 7 Martin tang sizes we have them all so when a fret fits too snug and I want to avoid back bow I can go to a narrower tang.



These users thanked the author Hesh for the post: BlindGuitar (Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:31 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fret tang width .
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:48 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:52 am
Posts: 1263
City: Lawrence
State: Kansas
Zip/Postal Code: 66047
Status: Amateur
BlindGuitar wrote:
Dave Rickard wrote:
Do we need a zero after the point?
maybe .071 instead of .71 and .096 instead of .96.

Not with Metric we don't .



DOOOH.
My bad.
Next time I'll try actually reading what the OP says before I post!

_________________
Say what you do, Do what you say.



These users thanked the author Dave Rickard for the post: BlindGuitar (Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:30 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 28 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com