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By the way, does anyone know what gram strenght the J.E. Moser's ground hide glue is? Doesn't say anywhere on the tub, but it seems to be the most readily available HHG.

Mike

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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] Didn't Hendrix, Janis, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship all perform at the FW too?[/QUOTE]

Hesh, Yes, they were all regulars at at FW. Saw them all many times. I worked periodically for Bill Graham. Quicksilver was my fave. That was when you could see 5 or 6 groups in one evening for $5. Santana was great when they first came out, what a sound! His Father's quite the violinist. His brothers play around here occasionally, although they're nowhere near Carlos. The drummer Michael Shreve went to my high school (Barry Bonds too) and Greg Rollie, & Neil Schon went to one nearby. Carlos was born in '47 and was raised in SF's Mission District, as I was too. They had their studio on Treat St., hence the song 'Treat' from their 1st album.
Best shows were seeing Cream at Winterland, the Who performing 'Tommy' in Bezerkley, & having Bill Graham come out one night to an almost empty house, and saying: "I've got a new band from England for you...Led Zeppelin"....What a show! They were 3rd billing after Country Joe, & Taj Mahal. I was never a big LZ fan but that first album's a killer.
As far as pot & hide glue, can't help ya there, but I can remember being glued on pot. Ahhh...the good old days.
Nowadays, I still rock, but it's only to rock my little grand daughter to sleep every nite to: 'A Theme from A Summer Place"...she loves it! Tonite, she ran off with the wireless mouse and hid it . Arghh...kids!

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Nowadays, I still rock, but it's only to rock my little grand daughter to sleep every nite to: 'A Theme from A Summer Place"...she loves it! Tonite, she ran off with the wireless mouse and hid it . Arghh...kids![/QUOTE]

Reminds me of my little girl. I finally got the old hi-fi out of mothballs the other day and thought I'd play her some real music. While dancing to the Doobie Brothers she says "it's just like the Wiggles!"

Baby bottle warmer here as well, in fact the same brand as Russell, bought off eBay for ?5 holds glue at temperature perfectly. I know people make a fuss about the problems with HHG but I find that for most gluing jobs its just as easy as AR glues. I joined a WRC top a couple of days ago, using my usual tent method, and it must have taken me all of 5 minutes, included shooting the edge. I now have a perfect, invisible join that will last 300 years. Use HHG, you know it makes sense!

Colin

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Pot, I never inhaled...

I use the Hot Pot too.

I use this one Glue Pot Works great!

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MORE COWBELL ! !


I never inhaled that stuff either....honest.

Hey Steve R.,

Do you realize that Underdog was the only superhero who used drugs?
That's right! The "Underdog Super Energy Pill".
Underdog was a Speed Friek!
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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] Not seeing Santana is one of my regrets so I am envious. Didn't Hendrix, Janis, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship all perform at the FW too?[/QUOTE]

I saw Santana open for Joe Satriani at the Tampa Bay performming arts center several years ago. Wow! This place was pretty small. Great show. But can you imagine him openning for Satch...it was before the recent Santana revival.

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"If it doesn't play in tune...it's just pretty wood"

What ever pot you choose, consider some sort of auto shutoff. Like a timer or something. It doesn't take long for that small amount of water to cook out. I'd hate to read about your bathroom on fire Hesh.John How38869.3697569444

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That's good advice John! I think I'll add an inline timer to mine.

-Mark

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Hesh:

This is where I get my bottles, and other plastic stuff: US Plastics

-Mark

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Hesh

The Shelf life is almost indefinate of the granuals, they don't need to be refrigerated.

Mixed Glue about a week in the fridge, but be aware that you don't want to cool and reheat it too many times.

Colin gave me good advice to mix at 1:1 then thin from there if need be, it needs about 45 mins to 1 hour to absorb the water, I like to take it through one heat and cool cycle before I will use it.


I get my bottles (New Ones) from a tatooist they use them for keeping Dye in.
RussellR38869.4028819444

Hi Hesh,

You really must spend a bit of time at Frank's place. Read all you can from frets and also follow the links at the bottom of his page to read a bit more good info on HHG.

Cheers

Kim

   Hesh, my friend, you will love HHG, I'm sure of it!

   I like using my Proctor Silex Hotpot for another reason: You have plenty of hot water on hand for clean-up... I like using store bought distilled water for the pot, for mixing the granules and for my **** (rhymes with gong) Just kidding... Had to have my own little counter-culture reference in there...

   I found that it's the level of water that will help maintain the tempererature in the hotpot. I also like to clean out the water in mine frequently because it will turn nasty in short order.

   Another little trick stolen from Mario: I know Hesh knows of this, but for the benefit of other contemplating the move to HHG. Use a hair dryer to dry any areas you've cleaned with the hot water. This prevents any extra water making it's way into the joint and compromising it.   Don't over heat with the dryer, though. I timed my little 1600 W... It takes only 11 seconds for it to heat up to 140.

   I think that the 1 week period is rather conservative. I'm sure that in a good airtight container, in a fridge, it will keep longer than that. But I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.


   I've heard about some 1000 year old chairs in Egypt that are still as solid today as if they were glued yesterday. Pretty impressive. It will take another millenia for any other glue to have that kind of track record...

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I still have my Rival Hot Pot, with the added 4 hour timer...

But a couple month';s ago, I saw a tiny crock pot. It's used for hot sauces and such, methinks. It was something like 10 or 12 bucks, and was too cute to leave on the shelf, so I took it home. Plugged it in, filled with water, and waited.....

and waited....

And waited...

There's a reason they also call these "slow cookers" <bg>

But after a few hours, the water was dead-on at 145, and held these there rest of the day.

Next day, I boiled the water quickly in the Rival, which takes a minute. Poured that into the cold crock pot, along with my glue bottle, thermometer, and brushes, and in 5 minutes, it was at 145, then held there the rest of the day...

And that is now my glue pot! heat the water to near boiling quickly with the Rival, then pour that into the crock.

The reason I like the crock is that it is easy to clean, and keep clean, and it is much, much smaller than the Rival, which took up a lot of space on the bench at times. The Rival's temp control also would 'stick" every now and again, and just boil the water and glue, killing the batch, and usually making a mess on the bench, too. This only happened 2-3 times in 5 or so years, so it isn't a big issue, but the little crock pot can't boil over...

Dit i mention it's also cute, with its stainless steel exterior and black crock interior? <bg>Mario38869.5010648148

Mario,
I know what you mean, my little rival will stick occasionally too, but I'm usually right there when it happens, so I act quickly. One the comments I think you mentioned before was to make sure it is 3/4 filled with water, and it will hold the temperature better.

When I mix my batch, I use a baby food jar first, and fill 1/2 with glue and just cover the glue with water. When the glue soaks up the water, in about 10 min, I start cooking at 140-145 degrees for about 1/2 hour. I add more crystals if it is too thin, or add more water if it is too thick. I'm shooting for consistency of warm syrup. When that is done I put in a little plastic bottle that GuitarJigs.com sells with a SS bolt(thanks Mario). I then store in the fridge(good for about 3-6 months).

Another comment someone had made, and I think it is very important...it doesn't matter what temp you heat to, as long as it is NOT over 145. It just needs to get hot enough to be liquid, and not gel too quickly when applied. If it is hot in your shop, you could probably do fine with 120 degrees in the pot. I used to sit there and watch the temp and try to keep it at 140 deg. After hearing this, I don't worry too much and just use it the way it is and test to see how long it takes to gel, then adjust my temp accordingly. Hesh, you are really going to like HHG!
Tracy

[QUOTE=Mario] I still have my Rival Hot Pot, with the added 4 hour timer...

But a couple month';s ago, I saw a tiny crock pot. It's used for hot sauces and such, methinks. It was something like 10 or 12 bucks, and was too cute to leave on the shelf, so I took it home. Plugged it in, filled with water, and waited.....

and waited....

And waited...

There's a reason they also call these "slow cookers" <bg>

But after a few hours, the water was dead-on at 145, and held these there rest of the day.

Next day, I boiled the water quickly in the Rival, which takes a minute. Poured that into the cold crock pot, along with my glue bottle, thermometer, and brushes, and in 5 minutes, it was at 145, then held there the rest of the day...

And that is now my glue pot! heat the water to near boiling quickly with the Rival, then pour that into the crock.

The reason I like the crock is that it is easy to clean, and keep clean, and it is much, much smaller than the Rival, which took up a lot of space on the bench at times. The Rival's temp control also would 'stick" every now and again, and just boil the water and glue, killing the batch, and usually making a mess on the bench, too. This only happened 2-3 times in 5 or so years, so it isn't a big issue, but the little crock pot can't boil over...

Dit i mention it's also cute, with its stainless steel exterior and black crock interior? <bg>[/QUOTE]



Do you have a Brand and model number / part number for this? I would be interested in checking them out. The problem with my Rival is the temp dips to about 100 then shoots up to 165. It never really seems to hold very close to 145.

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Hesh:

I use the two ounce bottles for french polishing, and small quantities of hide glue. I mix up several ounces, fill the small bottles, then store em in the freezer in two freezer bags til needed.

-Mark

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Hesh

Do you have baby bottle warmers there, they are the ideal size for a small hide glue bottle.

Both Colin and I use them and they hold within a 2/3 Degree Range and heats to temp in minutes.

If you go this route just check that the model you choose doesn't have an automatic cut off, as thats no good for our purposes.

RussellR38869.6777083333

Hesh I just checked Ebay and this model is availoable in the USA

I've been interested in HHG also and have started playing with it. My hot pot does like Brocks, moves around from about 135-165.
I've been loading my glue into oral syringes capping them and tossing them into the hot pot.
I have a couple of questions though.
1) I clamp inside a vacuum bag and after about 30 minutes I opened up to clean up the glue squeeze out. The squeeze out cleans up very easy almost like rubber cement, is this right?

2) Is it alright to clean the squeeze out up with a damp rag?

3) How long do you typically have to get this stuff clamped up? More than 30 seconds, a minute, 2 minutes? I know there is lots of variables here, but I just don't seem to have a feel for it yet. My shop is about 70 degrees or so.

Thanks

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Hesh, that's the one. The "Little Dipper"....

The trick to getting the Hot Pot to run a steady temp is to keep it at least 3/4 full of water. More is better....

Jim

I don't use vacuum yet, I'm just setting up to do my bridges with vacuum but from what I have been told your clean up routine sounds good.

You can use a damp rag, might be worth following with a hairdryer as Mario suggests, just for a few seconds.

The last one is tough to answer depends on glue strength, Mix, and if you preheat the components.RussellR38869.6989583333