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yields this:



Not done yet, the top needs more work (it's shiny, but not entirely level). And I have barely worked on the neck. So I'm still not up to the Brune 1 day standard, but I'm getting there.



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Looks wonderful so far!   

What pray tell is the Brune 1 day standard?   

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Yes I would like to here more about this. I'm reading all I can on french polishing before I attempt it. The side's look beautiful.


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Looking good so far. How did you grain infill the sides and back? Pumice
or commercial grain filler?


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Lookin' great Roger, yeah, how did you achieve that in one day?


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Bravo I would not worry to much on building a film in one day. I have been French polishing since I was 15, guitars for the past 5 years. I am very much a traditionalist in this finish, except I have abandoned pumice filling because I am lazy Actually because I think Zpoxy is a better look. But back to my point, I take however long it takes me to get the job done right I am a firm believer that the more rubbed the film the harder the film. That is one reason I spirit-off after every body session. This also helps to level the amalgamation as you body by knocking down and melting in ridges This also poilishes a bit as you go so you reach a high gloss with less glazing.

P.S. I do believe that rosewood shows off under French polish as well or better than all other woods. Man that is pretty.MichaelP38902.9618287037


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Beautiful instrument and finish. Looks like you are almost there to getting it done in a day.


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Sorry I was a bit vague, I'll try to hit everybody's comments.

Basically, there is a contigent of US builders who FP in a day or so, as opposed to the several weeks process traditionally taught. Among them are Richard Brune, and his son Marshall, who teach a 3 evening class in this method. I went to it, and I believe Marshall donated a class slot to OLF at one point. Here is my take on the class, and if you search on Brune in the archives you will see the comments of several others who took the class.

The fill was zpoxy. I didn't include that in my 1 day measure. The Brune's use a waterbased fill that allows them to do it all in one day, but I somewhat prefer the clear filled pores to those filled with black.

As for pressing hardening the film, I have no idea. You may be right. Since it's being debated after 300 years of this process being used, I figure it's too subtle a point for me to worry about. :) Also, since this 1 day technique is deemed suitable for restoration of Torres' guitars, it's probably good enough for my heaps o' wood. Besides, as the pad gets dry I end up pressing just as hard as I do during a traditional spiriting off.

Indian rosewood is pretty boring when you look at it raw, but with shellac on it I think it really takes on a special beauty that exceeds a lot of the other woods out there. It's elegant and understated, but very, very appealing, at least to me.

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Outstanding!

Makes me want to try FP

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I recall that I once read something on Marshall Brune. I'm gonna have to do more research on their technique. Sounds interesting.


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I haven't seen Robbie's finishing DVD, but you should check that out, I think he probably sticks pretty close to the Brune method. Robbie and I were in the same class last summer.

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Marshall did a long demonstration of FP, spread over two afternoons, at the GAL convention. It was great. I learned a heck of a lot (I videotaped the whole thing, too, so I can review it as much as I need to), and really look forward to FPing the instruments I'm currently building and applying what I learned. I'm not going to try to do it in one day, though, and will probably build a slightly thicker finish than he does. I still might take his class at some point.

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