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Glenn LaSalle
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Hi Folks,


I have been going through the OLF archives to 1. do research for the continuation of getting my shop in line to start my 1st build; and 2. identify tools/strategies on how I want to build number 1.


It looks like I want to use a Lam Trimmer for both bindings and rosette.  I noticed alot of positive feedback for the Wells/Karol rosette jig.  My question:  I have more $ on hand than time (tho not much more ), given the pressures of work and family - is there a place to purchase a Wells/Karol inspired Rosette Jig?


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Hey Glen,

Did you check with Sylvan? He can probably do it for you. Otherwise, if you are really stuck, I mean REALLY stuck, I may be able to put one together for you. I have the threads documenting the process and the materials, it is just time I am short of.

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I made a version of this jig, it was pretty straight forward. Having one maked will surely take longer... Then again, I have lots of jig building materials laying around (JUNK!) and a well equipped shop and besides; shipping costs prohibits buying too much from overseas for me, so I'm used to making my own or'getting by'. Anyways, it struck me that someone so inclined (not me!) could fabricate a bunch of these to sell quite easily...

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Man, that was poor English, even for me! Let me rephrase:

...Ordering one to be made by someone else will surely take longer

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Thanks Shane - I am new to the forum, so I apologize as I am not sure who Sylvan is...


Arnt, I figure I have so much to do to get things going, that I would be best off - if possible - to see if I could purchase the jig. 


Thx Again!


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Hey Glenn,

Sylvan is Wells, Sylvan Wells. Just google him, you will get to his site, he has a good tutorial on building the gig and I think he had said he would make some for sale, but don't quote me on that!

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Sylvan Wells is a guitar maker and a member of the OLF. In addition to making fine guitars he has a web site with many articles of interest to luthiers, one of which describes how you can make a Precision Router Base

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Typing too slowly again...

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[QUOTE=Shane Neifer]Hey Glenn,

Sylvan is Wells, Sylvan Wells. Just google him, you will get to his site, he has a good tutorial on building the gig and I think he had said he would make some for sale, but don't quote me on that!

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Thx!!! 


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Glenn, try this
Micro Jig


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I followed Sylvans directions to build mine out of the junk that I had lying around the shop. It was a pleasant Sunday afternoon of tinkering and I'm so pleased at how well it turned out and the ease of use. All it cost was time and a couple of beers while I admired my work.

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Another possibility is the Bishop Cochran laminate trimmer base with circle cutter. I just recently got an email from those guys saying they have some available again (after an extended time of them not being available), and ordered one. Google for them or look on the Allied Lutherie site. Everybody says these bases are fantastic, and I fully expect to get more than my money's worth of use out of it, for circle cutting and lots of other stuff as well.

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[QUOTE=Todd Rose] Another possibility is the Bishop Cochran laminate trimmer base with circle cutter. I just recently got an email from those guys saying they have some available again (after an extended time of them not being available), and ordered one. Google for them or look on the Allied Lutherie site. Everybody says these bases are fantastic, and I fully expect to get more than my money's worth of use out of it, for circle cutting and lots of other stuff as well.[/QUOTE]

I am a raving fan, and I use mine for a lot more than just cutting rosettes.

They are expensive, but well worth it.

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Does nobody here use a drill press mounted fly cutter-style arrangement? That's what all the big guys do...Taylor, Martin, etc.; LMI sells one and we use it; Ed Claxton made his own. It's fast, clean, and easy.   
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Rick, I had one of those once. They are nice if you do the exact same thing every time. But I found adjusting it to be a nightmare.


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During my first lutherie push, I ordered a Greven rosette cutter from LMI
and didn't realize it didn't come with cutters. I didn't know how to make
the cutters, so I sold it. The joy of learning on your own at 20 years old.

I'm very interested in this jig, but still confusion about what's going on in
the middle section. I understand that you do the gross adjustment by
loosening the two knobs. Once there, tighten the knob on the telecaster
end and leave the knob on the middle section loose. Fine adjust by using
the tele knob. I can see that that pulls the middle section closer to the
tele side, but the middle section isn't connected to the router. How does
this pull the router in or push it out?
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But still *have some* confusion . . .


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The pin is mounted in the middle section, on the little extension, that moves.  So by moving that section, you are moving the pin relative to the bit in the trimmer.

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Well sharpened hardware store fly-cutters work great for me.  For a couple hundred bucks, you can buy enough of them to do several rosette styles.  They are cheap enough to dedicate one to each task and grind the bit to suit.


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I have the LMI circle cutter that was mentioned above and like Paul said, it is a bit of a pain to change, which in my opinion is mostly due to a lack of shims so I'm constantly trying differnt arrangements to try and get what I want. I think if I bought or made additional shims to where I had what I needed, it wouldn't be as bad. (Still not a breeze to set up, but I think it would help). The other issue that I've had is trying to get the cutters all lined up to where they're cutting the same depth.

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I treid the fly cutter route as well, and even ground several cutters to suit my many needs. My problem is that my table for my drill press is actually a scrap desk top from a elementary school desk. It is quite thick and sturdy, but getting it perfectly level has been more of a challenge than I want. I never did cut the channels the same depth all the way around because of the desk top not being perfectly level.


I have abandoned the fly cutters and I now use a circle cutting jig with a laminate trimmer mounted on it. I picked this up in the last swap meet and it works like a dream. I even bought some 1/8" collets so that I can use the smaller dremel type cuters in it for the smaller rosette channels.


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I really Appreciate all the replies and suggestions!!  Sylvan was kind enough to accomodate my purchase request.


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